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CJ6
03-31-2016, 09:46 AM
I like the looks of the Winfield Collection Ferris Wheel & Carousel (from online pictures & videos). I have a small front yard. I think I can accommodate both features, but the wife will only allow me to build one (at the moment). I classify myself as a novice at building things. I have a few questions.

1) Do you recommend one or the other (ferris wheel or carousel)? I plan on buying the plan & small parts kit from Winfield.
2) Are they hard to build?
3) Is it expensive to build with the wood & supplies?
4) I live in Colorado and we can get some strong winds. Would they survive 50mph gusts and snow buildup?

I appreciate any info you can offer. I have two young kids that I think would enjoy seeing something more than the standard store bought Christmas features.

didjareally
03-31-2016, 10:34 AM
I cannot speak to their motorized pieces, however I have used several of their other templates and they are top notch in my opinion. The big monster walk through mouth pictured below is one of their designs. I used a drill and simple jigsaw to cut everything out and assemble it. The tracing, cutting out, and assembly was the easy part for me, the detailed painting is the part that gets me so I dont choose anything that is too detailed. Their templates have all the painting lines as well though.

grahami2006
03-31-2016, 04:47 PM
I have used a lot of their designs and find them very easy to build from. My only problem here "downunder" is having to make adjustments for the conversion from imperial to metric, Wish you guys up there would move into the new century LOL.
Last year I did the ferris wheel and took me about 4 months to build but it was a great hit with kids and adults alike. I lit it with a strobe which gave it more effect.
No snow or wind here but b----y hot.

CJ6
04-01-2016, 02:22 PM
Thanks for your inputs! I really appreciate them

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atxc5
04-01-2016, 04:17 PM
grahami2006,

Does the ferris wheel it come apart to some degree for storage?

grahami2006
04-02-2016, 12:36 AM
Unfortunately not without a lot of messing about with it. Undoing the numerous screws each year would, I believe, lead to holes becoming bigger over time.
I guess I am lucky because I have a large shed where I keep all my cut outs.

CJ6
04-05-2016, 05:50 PM
That was a great question. Thanks & thanks for the answer

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DanoNJ
04-05-2016, 07:56 PM
I built the carousel couple of years back now. The plans for that item were well worth the money. Project was a bit time consuming, but I started in February so made for a great winter project. I made mine so that it was somewhat collapsible since I store all my props in my basement. I have also ordered many other plans from them. I do have to say, I'm not a fan of their motors. Never had any good luck with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed0nvu4U2IY

CJ6
06-15-2016, 11:31 AM
Thanks for the info! I'm going to order the plans soon. Did anyone get their motor and small parts kit from Winfield? Is the motor good? Is the small parts kit needed?

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Buckeyelights
06-16-2016, 12:24 PM
I've had good success with their motors and small parts. The motors are a bit on the expensive side; but having all the parts, the parts fit the motor, etc. saves tons of finding the right size bolts, nuts, linkage.... I think I've used 4 of their motors; one crapped out on me, but I didn't weather-proof it very well, so I suspect that was the issue.

CJ6
06-17-2016, 03:50 PM
Thank you!

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CJ6
08-15-2016, 05:23 PM
I'm in the middle of my build of the ferris wheel. I finally have nearly all of my pieces cut out. Thanks for everyone's advice and input.
While spending the hours cutting, I was wondering, are there any decent light options? Has anyone put lights ON THE ferris wheel to add color and more interest? Can the motor handle adding the weight of battery powered led lights from the store to each arm & seat?
Thanks, again

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Aurbo99
08-15-2016, 07:02 PM
I like the looks of the Winfield Collection Ferris Wheel & Carousel (from online pictures & videos). I have a small front yard. I think I can accommodate both features, but the wife will only allow me to build one (at the moment). I classify myself as a novice at building things. I have a few questions.

1) Do you recommend one or the other (ferris wheel or carousel)? I plan on buying the plan & small parts kit from Winfield.
2) Are they hard to build?
3) Is it expensive to build with the wood & supplies?
4) I live in Colorado and we can get some strong winds. Would they survive 50mph gusts and snow buildup?

I appreciate any info you can offer. I have two young kids that I think would enjoy seeing something more than the standard store bought Christmas features.

I have both, but due to the fact a neighbor around the corner also has them, I have not used them in my display yet.

1. Go for either, or both.. they both work very well.
2. Not hard to build, follow the instructions and you really cant go wrong.
3. Carousel is a bit more expensive than the Ferris wheel, I build my Carousel for about 150Cdn, Ferris Wheel was about 80Cdn.
4. Strong Winds and Snow.. both have pro's and con's

CJ6
08-16-2016, 09:54 AM
Thanks for your input, Aurbo99. I'm in the middle of the ferris wheel build. I just ordered the carousel plans, although I'm not sure I will build it due to storage needs. (I need to see of I can break it down a little to store it...maybe several large parts.. the top, bottom, middle, poles, & characters.) But, that may be next summer's project. I also ordered the plans for a teeter totter. I need to learn how to use wiper motors because I have ideas that I'd like to see happen. (I think I'm driving my wife crazy, though.)

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Skunberg
08-16-2016, 10:12 AM
I'm in the middle of my build of the ferris wheel. I finally have nearly all of my pieces cut out. Thanks for everyone's advice and input.
While spending the hours cutting, I was wondering, are there any decent light options? Has anyone put lights ON THE ferris wheel to add color and more interest? Can the motor handle adding the weight of battery powered led lights from the store to each arm & seat?
Thanks, again

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Most people that put on lights don't use batteries. They use slip rings. Do a search here and you find a few threads that includes links to parts.

CJ6
08-16-2016, 09:53 PM
Thank you. I'll look for them.

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mattyw
09-07-2016, 12:27 PM
I have heard from those who built the Ferris wheel that the most difficult part is getting the gears to work correctly requires a lot of adjustments. However, someone said that you can actually BUY the gears with the motor kit for another $10.00. It's in their printed catalog, but not online. I think it's the same product number, with a "D" added at the end.

I have also heard--but don't know from personal experience--that their motors are "iffy," but Buckeyelights above said he had had good experiences with most of them.

Also, I have heard the Rotozip tool highly recommended by may people for this kind of work.

1983ss454
09-07-2016, 09:18 PM
I have heard from those who built the Ferris wheel that the most difficult part is getting the gears to work correctly requires a lot of adjustments. However, someone said that you can actually BUY the gears with the motor kit for another $10.00. It's in their printed catalog, but not online. I think it's the same product number, with a "D" added at the end.

I have also heard--but don't know from personal experience--that their motors are "iffy," but Buckeyelights above said he had had good experiences with most of them.

Also, I have heard the Rotozip tool highly recommended by may people for this kind of work.

When I built the dancing Santa I used a windshield wiper motor, haven't tried their motors


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CJ6
09-08-2016, 09:09 PM
I wish I knew about the gears. They need to put it online. Oh well.
I have already cut out the small gear. Still need to cut the big gear. I scanned the gears part of the plans and printed out at 100% so there was no scaling. That way I can print as many copies and try to cut as many gears until I get it right.

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mattyw
09-10-2016, 09:23 AM
OK, I just looked it up. It was from a person named Andy Anderson, and it was on the Christmas Fan Club forum. It is in the Winfield catalog #132 on page 13 as Deluxe Motor Kit MOT3-D. According to him, it costs $10 more than the regular motor kit. I'm like you--wish I had known this. However, notice that you have to buy the motor, too, and I had not planned to buy that one, in favor of a windshield wiper motor. I am in the process of building the Ferris wheel right now, but I had planned to try to find a company offering CNC services, since the drawing is full-size. If anyone has done something like that, I would appreciate feedback.

mattyw
10-08-2016, 01:18 PM
Well, I am just in the process of assembly, and I think I can add a few insights. First of all, there are a GAZILLION parts to it, and it takes a long time to even cut them out. Secondly, and as noted in quite a few other postings about their Ferris wheel, it is quite difficult to cut the gears correctly so that they mesh and work. Third, I had heard that their motors are unreliable; however it also includes the fittings, and that's quite valuable. I ordered the whole motor kit -- you can't get motor and fittings separately -- but I'm ready if and when the motor fails; I found a motor that matches the specifications and footprint, and it's the Dayton Permanent Magnet DC Gear motor 2L008. It is a 1/125 HP, with a torque of 40 in-lbs and is 12 RPM. If you shop, you can get a used one for about $25 - $30. As to the gears, I went to eBay and found a vendor who makes wooden gears and has a laser cutter, and he cut them to specs as a custom order for a total of $40 delivered. Since he now has the template, he will be happy to cut these for others as well, and I can assure you that they are well worth getting. However, it is difficult to find wood that is 3/4" as the specs call for. I ended up getting 1/2" maple (which he purchased from Winfield directly). THEY don't sell 3/4" hardwood either! If you DO purchase the motor kit, it comes with two squares of hardwood to cut out the gears. I just ordered the kit and haven't received it yet, but I will be interested to see if it's 3/4" wide, and I'll let you know.

Here's the link for the gears. These gears were specifically created for me to exact specs sent with the plans, including all inner holes. http://www.ebay.com/itm/steam-punk-project-gears-Laser-cut-solid-maple-wood-2-pieces-1-2-inch-thick-/351854586893?hash=item51ec2aec0d:g:xZ4AAOSwPCVX8Ij Y.

mattyw
12-18-2016, 02:08 PM
I just built one this year. The biggest problem seems to be getting the wood gears accurately cut. However, I looked up two suppliers of Steampunk gears and asked them if they could do custom work. Both had laser cutters. One of them was glad to do a custom order, and I got both gears beautifully (and effortlessly) cut for a total of $40, including material (which he bought from Windfield) and shipping. Was WELL worth it. HOWEVER, even though they were made of hardwood, wood in general, as you know, expands and contracts. Often, there's grinding noises when it starts up until it runs for 1/2 hour to 45 minutes. I am not really satisfied with using them, and plan to replace them after the season with metal gears. I notice that wood gears often have that shape on the spokes, but I haven't seen metal gears that do, and now I'm trying to find out if I can substitute the shape of the teeth. I know of a supplier of custom metal gears who can do this. Here's the expired listing, and you can message him. By the way, I spent about $220 for wood. You might want to rethink the scallops on the wood that supports the seats. It's only decorative, and if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=351854586893&view=all&tid=834314009022

As to the motor. I bought the motor kit, and so far the motor has been holding up. However, I had been told that their motors can be unreliable, and I have already looked up a motor that has the same specifications and foot print by Dayton. It is the Dayton 2L008, a permanent magnet gearmotor, 12 RPM, 40 lb./in torque.

Hope this helps!

1983ss454
12-18-2016, 03:06 PM
I just built one this year. The biggest problem seems to be getting the wood gears accurately cut. However, I looked up two suppliers of Steampunk gears and asked them if they could do custom work. Both had laser cutters. One of them was glad to do a custom order, and I got both gears beautifully (and effortlessly) cut for a total of $40, including material (which he bought from Windfield) and shipping. Was WELL worth it. HOWEVER, even though they were made of hardwood, wood in general, as you know, expands and contracts. Often, there's grinding noises when it starts up until it runs for 1/2 hour to 45 minutes. I am not really satisfied with using them, and plan to replace them after the season with metal gears. I notice that wood gears often have that shape on the spokes, but I haven't seen metal gears that do, and now I'm trying to find out if I can substitute the shape of the teeth. I know of a supplier of custom metal gears who can do this. Here's the expired listing, and you can message him. By the way, I spent about $220 for wood. You might want to rethink the scallops on the wood that supports the seats. It's only decorative, and if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=351854586893&view=all&tid=834314009022

As to the motor. I bought the motor kit, and so far the motor has been holding up. However, I had been told that their motors can be unreliable, and I have already looked up a motor that has the same specifications and foot print by Dayton. It is the Dayton 2L008, a permanent magnet gearmotor, 12 RPM, 40 lb./in torque.

Hope this helps!

Are you sure it's not the motor making the Noise? A lot of time my motors need a little WD40 and they quiet right down


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jdesign21
12-19-2016, 09:32 AM
I order the carousel the order day does eBay gears that you have listed for the ferris wheel will they work on the carousel also?

Also what paint are you guys using? Do u buy it from Winfield?

1983ss454
12-19-2016, 10:44 AM
I order the carousel the order day does eBay gears that you have listed for the ferris wheel will they work on the carousel also?

Also what paint are you guys using? Do u buy it from Winfield?

For all my cutouts I use exterior paint samples from Home Depot. They are a couple dollars and you can pick from 100's of colors


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CJ6
12-19-2016, 06:17 PM
For paint, I just used whatever I could get that was close to the color. I figured that they were probably paid by the brand they were recommending. I wish I had just spray painted all parts except the characters (wheel, seats, and stand). It would have saved tons of time. I'm still painting the characters. Might be done in a couple days.

I picked up the plans for the teeter totter. I figured that would be my next project...for next Christmas. I also picked up the plans for the carousel. Due to storage space, I probably won't build it, though. I need to find where to store this stuff.

mattyw
12-20-2016, 11:59 AM
Absolutely positive. It's clearly the gears. The motor, by the way, just quit. However, in this case, I don't think it was its quality. We had an overnight sleet storm that weighed down the characters, and eventually it stalled. By the way, neither that motor nor it's Dayton replacement (which I just ordered) have thermal protection, so they CAN burn out under stress.

mattyw
12-20-2016, 12:07 PM
No, as far as I know they're entirely different. Prior to ordering the Ferris wheel plans, I had read posts from several members who noted how difficult it was to cut the gears accurately, so I was prepared when I ordered my plans to look for an alternative, and found it. Many people decided to go for a windshield wiper motor and use the sprockets and chain from a bicycle instead. However, if you DO order the plans, you might want to approach the same gentleman on ebay that I used; he was quite accommodating, very prompt and easy to work with, and I definitely didn't think that $40 for the two exquisitely cut gears was out of line. That included ordering the wood from Windfield, shipping, and eBay fees, as well as, of course, creating a custom template of two gears, including all the holes.

As to paint, I recently discovered that you can purchase a small sample can of exterior grade paint in any color you want for about $3.50 at Home Depot. They'll make it up for you. I think Lowes offers a similar service.

Skunberg
12-20-2016, 12:19 PM
Can we get a couple of pictures?

1983ss454
12-20-2016, 12:57 PM
Absolutely positive. It's clearly the gears. The motor, by the way, just quit. However, in this case, I don't think it was its quality. We had an overnight sleet storm that weighed down the characters, and eventually it stalled. By the way, neither that motor nor it's Dayton replacement (which I just ordered) have thermal protection, so they CAN burn out under stress.

The motor for that kit it that undersized that sleet burned it out. When we lived in mass we always went a little oversized in the motor so the snow or ice couldn't stop them. This is run of a motor that is 70 years old and used to run a giant wire feeder for a welder in a shop
https://vimeo.com/196458018


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CJ6
12-20-2016, 06:13 PM
I want that. The Merry Go Round. I like that.
Plus, I'll probably need to upgrade to that motor sometime. Very nice.

DanoNJ
12-20-2016, 08:44 PM
I built the carousel a few years ago. Here are some videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61iH2a1w45k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4HysZyMLUE
(it's really not that loud - something must have been running in the background)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51NwpeV_yKg

I typically use wiper motors for these props.

CJ6
12-21-2016, 10:35 AM
I would love to build the carousel, but I am thinking that we get winds that are too high. (Not to mention the storage problems.) Has anyone had their carousel topple over, if so, was the winds high?

DanoNJ
12-21-2016, 11:23 AM
I would love to build the carousel, but I am thinking that we get winds that are too high. (Not to mention the storage problems.) Has anyone had their carousel topple over, if so, was the winds high?
I have had some pretty strong sustained winds here. What I do is put 2 pieces of EMT in the ground during the set up and tie them into the "legs" of the base. Keeps it very sturdy.

CJ6
12-21-2016, 11:31 AM
I have had some pretty strong sustained winds here. What I do is put 2 pieces of EMT in the ground during the set up and tie them into the "legs" of the base. Keeps it very sturdy.
Thanks. If I can figure out storage (or how to hang from my garage ceiling), I'll try to build it.

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mattyw
12-21-2016, 02:05 PM
The problem with that is the footprint, so in consideration of the need to get the thing up and running rather than having to make further alterations to fit another size motor. Unfortunately, those motors do not have thermal protection, so when they stall like that they burn out rather than cut off. What happened to it is extremely rare in our area, and it was compounded by the fact that it happened overnight. It was not SUPPOSED to sleet this far south, but the weather was not reading the book -- yet again!

When the season is over, I intend putting a windshield wiper motor and sprocket system on it.

mattyw
12-22-2016, 12:14 PM
I would like to build the carousel, but it's proportions bother me. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the proportions on a carousel are usually at least square, but most of the time, they're wider than they are tall. Their carousel looks like it should be wider -- it seems to be quite narrow.

Also, another member built one, and decided to make the characters go up and down by attaching wheels to the end of the poles and running it through the floor to a second hidden base that had waves in it. He could get the wiper motor to work without it, but it didn't have quite enough power to run when the second base was on, so I would imagine that one would have to use a wheelchair motor instead.