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    Since I was one of the one's that came down hard on some recent new members being impatient, I thought I would look at helping rather than criticizing.

    I have spent some time recently over at RJs site. Jumping back to the home page of the Forums there, I found this in a section labeled "Getting started with Light Animation"

    How do I make Lights Blink to Music

    Quite frankly, I was surprised, but I came back to DIYC to find something similar. While there were items that looked similar, there is nothing formatted like this. I think our goal should be something formatted very similar to this without ripping RJ off. I think that ours would be a bit more involved because of the various types, versions, and configuration of controllers. But it could certainly be done.

    Although he has this post, it is not obvious. I really believe this would need to be a Sticky on the landing page of DIYC in order to be most helpful to new members.

    What do you think?

    btw... What the heck happened to RJ. Falling out with other members here? just curious.
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    looking though noob eyes I think that there were some differences and it was more of a mutual split. As I read though both forums, there are many differences. One of RJs views of hardware is that there should be tight rains held on the development and release of new hardware. This depending on how you look at it can be a good thing. If there is only one design of a board then there is less confusion as to how to put it together and troubleshoot. With that in mind it is very easy for anyone to give good solid advice as to how to fix a problem. but it also leads to one person or group being responsable for the load of development. DIYC has a different outlook on development that has its good and bad as well. RJ does a great job but what would happen to his site without him there?
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    We have something similar already http://doityourselfchristmas.com/for...hristmas-(DIYC), a sticky in this section of the forum. From 2008, so it could use a little updating if possible.

    Maybe a link could be emailed when joining? Something like "Thanks for becoming a member of DIYC start here(link) to get started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WakeFan View Post
    We have something similar already http://doityourselfchristmas.com/for...hristmas-(DIYC), a sticky in this section of the forum. From 2008, so it could use a little updating if possible.

    Maybe a link could be emailed when joining? Something like "Thanks for becoming a member of DIYC start here(link) to get started.
    Yes, I liked this when it was done. This can be an excellent start, and it was done long before RJ's was, so we won't be "ripping him off" ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne J View Post
    Yes, I liked this when it was done. This can be an excellent start, and it was done long before RJ's was, so we won't be "ripping him off" ;)
    I certainly saw that section. While I believe its similar in content and the intent may have been the same, it just isn't the same. I'm still enough of a noob to see the difference. I'll keep looking at it over the weekend and hopefully I can offer suggestions. I think there are quite a few of us that can offer the perspective of a newbie and a little DIYC experience as well.

    A good start would be for it to be more than a Sticky burried in the Forum. I definitely think there needs to be somethign that jumps out on the home pages and a category at the top of the forums page that reads "New Members Start Here" or "I'm New to all this, where do I start".

    I think the WIKI is on its way to being excellent, but there is no Simple Front End or Dummies Index (no insult intended). Maybe a new section of the Wiki could be the "Newbies Guides to DIYC?"

    Sorry, I did not realize the topic I started when I asked about RJ. After a few PMs, I understand its potentially a sore subject. Please disregard that part of my post. I have enough crap on my shoes for one week
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    OK, I have to admit, I didn't click through the Beginner's guide until now. I do see where the Wiki Beginner's guide very close and I actually like it. Now, we must ask ourselves... With this here, why do we get all the questions from Brand New Members?

    It is one of three things (or a combination depending on the new member)

    1. Didn't see it.
    2. Saw it, but Didn't want to read it and it was easier to just ask.
    3. Didn't Understand It

    So I guess we need to decide how to address those 3 issues. I think my arrogant (maybe ignorant) post yesterday were for the Number 2 types. Certainly without regard for the 1's and 3's
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    The Vixenlights website is where I started off in this hobby a month ago. Their Wiki directs you to Christmasatshirleys and not do DIYC. I spent a lot of time there reading and reading and reading and eventually you get here. Maybe the link should be changed to DIYC????? I believe an email to new members directing them to "start here" would be helpful like WakeFan has stated.

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    ok from a noob, and prolly one of the so called impatient ones that bugged all you "old guys" I am not a type 2, I am a type 3 all the way... after spending a week in the wiki, and getting myself so lost between here and RJ's site, it is very difficult to discern what to do... think of it from someone with nothing... i had the lights i put on my house last year... what... 30 strings? thats it. so when your coming from there, with no knowledge of programming, how any of this works, it is very difficult to make decisions. my main decision was choosing lynx or renard. on here, everyone either didnt have an opinion or gave me pros of each... on rj's site, it was all preachin lynx, (i do know thats his baby). but when you go through this step by step process to try to figure stuff out, if you have a question, even if it might seem like its been answered a million times, its hard to find in a forum format. remember, in the wiki, you have titles and you can search down to find what you want, in the forum you have to search and search and search and search. i sometimes spend an hour just trying to find the right thread to read. that gets frustrating quick, especially when i know that you old guys know this stuff like it written on your foreheads.
    so... in conclusion

    the beginner page is very good, and simple enough to understand.

    the wiki gets real tough to read some things if you dont know what your looking at. what i mean is to build a board according to the wiki, no problem. what you need to run that board and how it connects to the computer and what protocol to use, well... those are all decisions, therefore not clear on the wiki. the wiki tells you how to modify it for those needs, but not what it does for you.

    i think there needs to be a graphic representation of a system with links, so its easier to understand
    the same graphic used to depict the different types of connections is fine, but the computer, would have links to vixen, and any other programs, then to the side of the computer, links to the different kind of interface devices, and where to buy the pcbs such as dmx. click dmx get rj dongle, rpm dongle, where to buy the pcb's and whatever other ones. click on rs232 or whatever it is, get links to the serial to rj45 dongle thing. and do that for everything... the transmitter, the bipole antenna, the extention cords, wireframes, lights, basically anything that is basically covered in the wiki for a how to needs to just be put in a flowchart. i might even start working on one once i figure out everything, but i am sure i am still missing stuff myself. this seems like a lot of work, but the work is already done, we just need to link it all together so people have a clue where to go.

    we could even have a list of members that sell different pcb's or items just like
    wjohn - ledtricks/triks c/programmed chip
    waynej-renard pcb's
    and so on and so forth

    that alone would have saved me prolly 3 weeks. i have boards built, i have power supplies, i have wireframes built, but because i lost track, i have no way of communicating with my computer, so i cant test anything... boo...

    i am just venting ideas at you guys, because it seems like there are some out there that genuinely want to help the noobs and some that get frustrated when they think the questions are dumb. it is hard to tell what a dumb question is, when you try to find out where to buy something and someone says "thats already been addressed, go search" and then someone else already knows. so if its known, why dont we centralize the data so that you dont send us on a two hour goose chase when you already knew.

    i love the site and all the members... i am not very active on rj's site anymore, because i had to choose one, i was too overwhelmed. i am buying a dongle there, but seems like i get more support and love from this site.

    so... with all that said, if this is ideas someone wants to actually do, since they are my ideas, i would love to help. just let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kychristmas View Post
    OK, I have to admit, I didn't click through the Beginner's guide until now. I do see where the Wiki Beginner's guide very close and I actually like it. Now, we must ask ourselves... With this here, why do we get all the questions from Brand New Members?

    It is one of three things (or a combination depending on the new member)

    1. Didn't see it.
    2. Saw it, but Didn't want to read it and it was easier to just ask.
    3. Didn't Understand It

    So I guess we need to decide how to address those 3 issues. I think my arrogant (maybe ignorant) post yesterday were for the Number 2 types. Certainly without regard for the 1's and 3's
    I saw and read it when I was new, and the watch videos on vixen, but until you start working with the equipment there is no way you can understand. Not that the guide is bad, but there is just a lot that you need to learn to get into this hobby
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunnsr View Post
    we could even have a list of members that sell different pcb's or items just like
    wjohn - ledtricks/triks c/programmed chip
    waynej-renard pcb's
    and so on and so forth

    that alone would have saved me prolly 3 weeks. i have boards built, i have power supplies, i have wireframes built, but because i lost track, i have no way of communicating with my computer, so i cant test anything... boo...
    like this.. http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com...s_and_Contacts

    I think sometimes things in the wiki are not easy to find. I know when I started on computerchristmas.com I read and read for a year and still was confused. Too much information to try to take in, and now it's a lot more than was available then. I was off the site for about 6 months and felt as lost as ever. I couldn't imagine starting out from the beginning.

    To be honest, I didn't remember we had a beginner's guide until I posted yesterday.
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