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reasonforseason
11-28-2009, 11:45 PM
Did not go well at all. I am using 42 inch tomato cages doubled up.

I spent 3 hours rolling and unrolling lights, I could not keep the strings from sliding up the cage.:-x My zip ties were sliding too.

I ended with 500 lights on it and it wasn't even half way down.

Anyone have any advice? I tried rolling tight, rolling loose, no luck.

I might just get some chicken wire but not looking forward to extra work or expense.

Thanks in advance.
John

omzig
11-29-2009, 12:47 AM
There is a decent how to in the wiki: http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mini_Trees

Wayne J
11-29-2009, 12:53 AM
One thing that might help, if you're not doing it is, I extend the string completly and get the natural twist out of it. I do this by holding one end and someone holding the other end and lightly pulling on the string letting relax. Even then, they still want to try and slide up, so it is something you have to be aware of when moving them.

reasonforseason
11-29-2009, 12:58 AM
Thanks Omzig,

Thats just what I needed. I've read that a bunch of times but forgot about the light setting part.

If I am using 2 colors do you think I should make marks double the width?

reasonforseason
11-29-2009, 12:59 AM
One thing that might help, if you're not doing it is, I extend the string completly and get the natural twist out of it. I do this by holding one end and someone holding the other end and lightly pulling on the string letting relax. Even then, they still want to try and slide up, so it is something you have to be aware of when moving them.

Thanks Wayne, I need to do a better job with that too, I am using 200 length strings and it was a pain to keep untwisting.

rstehle
11-29-2009, 02:03 AM
I might just get some chicken wire but not looking forward to extra work or expense.

I use a single cage (same size as yours), with chicken wire wrapped around it. I cut the chicken wire in the shape of a trapezoid first (use Pi*D to get the length of the bottom, and taper to about 4" at the top). You get a few more pieces per roll due to not wasting much at the overlap. I only use about 4 zip ties per cage. The chicken wire keeps the strings in place very well. Wrapping with chicken wire takes more time at the start, but you save it by not having to zip tie every wrap.......... works out to about a wash on time and expense IMO.

olingerjccj
11-29-2009, 09:55 AM
I went up and down just could not get it right going around in circles. My 2cents worth.

John

dnesci
11-29-2009, 10:42 AM
I covered by cage with chicken wire first. It gave me something to wire tie the lights to and it helped with spacing as the chicken wire was spaced at one inch openings. I also used 42 inch cages and you don't have to double up.

Trip
11-29-2009, 11:22 AM
I covered by cage with chicken wire first. It gave me something to wire tie the lights to and it helped with spacing as the chicken wire was spaced at one inch openings. I also used 42 inch cages and you don't have to double up.

same here

vziukas
11-30-2009, 03:16 AM
Here you can find few pictures how I made my mini tree
http://christmasinallen.com/MiniTree.aspx

ppohlman
11-30-2009, 11:55 AM
I only use one cage per tree, but I did add bailing wire up and down between the main vertical frame members. This definitely helps in keeping the circular shape. To help keep the lights in the correct location, I used one zip tie per wrap around the cage. Once these were on, I noticed that they would start to slip like what you were mentioning. Because of this, I went back and put a dab of hot glue on the zip ties from the inside of the cage. This held the light strings and zip ties in place. I've noticed that the "spreading" of the lights on the opposite side of the cage was not enough to warrant more zip ties and glue.

If you are putting more than one color of lights (more channels) per mini tree, I would highly suggest doing them all at once. Stretch out your lights (all colors) and start wrapping them at the same time. I made mine with Red, Green, Blue and White and this method worked well for me.

sandy
11-30-2009, 12:47 PM
I too used just one cage but filled in the gaps with insulation joist hangers
This is just a 24" (or 16") long steel wire that I bent top and bottom to catch the horizontal rings.
A ty-wrap top and bottom hold them just fine
The lights are ty-wrapped at each intersection of cage (verticals and horizontals)
With the red and green run together.
Used 300 lights on the 42", 200 on the mediums and 100 on the small trees.

reasonforseason
11-30-2009, 05:44 PM
Again thank you all,

I am so thankful for this wonderful community.

It is a blessing that people with this much experience and knowledge are so kind and helpful to newcomers.

Does anyone know off hand if,and what department, Lowes or HD sell bailing wire? I know what it is but have not seen it sold there.

Thanks again,

dirknerkle
11-30-2009, 05:53 PM
I'd guess either in the fencing or in the section where they sell chain, wire rope, etc.

ppohlman
12-01-2009, 11:06 AM
I think that I found mine at Home Depot down in the section with the rebar.
The dry cement mix was on the other side of the aisle.

dirknerkle
12-01-2009, 01:24 PM
You could also try domestics -- sometimes "clothes line wire" is available there, is often plastic coated in green, and might be another choice.

reasonforseason
12-02-2009, 08:28 PM
Thanks again,

Off to get wire and a zip tie gun.

Its amazing how some don't use hardly any ties and others use lots of ties.

WakeFan
12-02-2009, 09:34 PM
Does anyone know off hand if,and what department, Lowes or HD sell bailing wire? I know what it is but have not seen it sold there.

Thanks again,

I think it is outside in the vinyl fencing & chain link fencing area. I know they have 1/16 wire cable in the chain & rope area. I think it's about .25 per ft though. It seems like there is the same style wire to hang pictures in the nut, bolt and screw area, maybe a cheaper option?