Soldering Irons

[Wayne J]

Not all soldering irons are created equal. I went into this venture with an old Weller SP23 hobby iron. I thought I had a decent iron for this stuff. I struggled a bit with tips and heat, but wrote it off as inexperience. Then it was suggested to pick up a better iron. It was suggested that a CSI unit would be much better. I bought one, and after the first use, I wish I had bought it when I started. There are better ones than this one, but it is really hard to beat the price for what you get.
When purchasing be sure to get extra tips, as it only comes with one.

Either of these units are great...
http://circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307


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[Macrosill]

I use the CSI-Station2A (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7508) listed above. I love it. Best iron I have ever used and a very affordable price, $49.95.

[stempile]

I agree that a GOOD soldering iron is best tool you can have, if you plan to solder a lot! Saves time and saves your components from getting burned up!

I can't remember how I came to this iron, but I like it and it heats up quickly. From turn on to soldering temp it takes 30 seconds. However it is more expense then the previously mentioned irons ($60). It comes with a 1/32" tip, 1/16" is an option also.

http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdImag/229673.jpg
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&pa=229673&productId=229673


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[teberle]

I have a CSI Station 1A and the price was right.

[wjohn]

best investment you can make is a good temp controlled Solder Iron.

I has used professional Soldering Stations worth in excess of 1000$, and the humble 100$ unit is just as good for Mr Joe average.

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T2442

http://www.altronics.com.au/images/prod/T/T2442.gif


This is the one I use.

[JaysonH]

I use these:

http://www.tequipment.net/ProductImages/Hakko/936_station.jpg

For soldering and this for de-soldering:

http://mro2go.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/PRODIMAGE/8/821SO881.jpg

The soldering station is ESD certified, I'm anal about the whole static thing. I use all this on a ESD/Anti-static mat and of course have such map at my feel/wheels of chair. While wearing a wrist grounding strap. My wife still makes comments like, "See, you're connected to that thing more than you are me."

With this co-op darn near out of the way... I suppose its time to ensure I'm 'connected' to her a little more often. Enough said. :)

[JohnByrne]

Are any of the Weller irons any good?

[JaysonH]

I have a Weller 100w gun that is roughly 20 years old and still kicking.

[JohnByrne]

Only asking because Weller is a Cooper Hand Tools product and I work for Cooper Lighting. I think I'll ask if I get a discount ;)

[Macrosill]

You work for Cooper Lighting aye. Hmm. I will be requiring about 30 H7IC air tight cans with 410W's.

[JohnByrne]

Sorry there Brian,

Halos are made in Mexico now, none in our plant. Our site makes industrial and commercial HID like floods, site lights, parking lot lights, etc.

[random_rodder]

Here's where I got mine.

Chinese Hako 852 rip-off (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sale-Rework-System-852-Soldering-Desoldering-Station_W0QQitemZ200158769773QQihZ010QQcategoryZ10 0184QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

My old RS soldering iron gave up the ghost back in January and I wanted to get something a little nicer. Couldn't afford the real thing, so.... So far it works well...

Later,

Brian

[mac_man_luke]

Any ideas to what i should buy locally (adelaide, south australia)

Choices seam to be:

Jaycar 50watt soldering station $50
Duratech 50watt soldering station $99
Goot 46watt soldering pencil $60

Currently have a cheapy 25 watt iron and its just not fine enough

Im leaning towards the pencil because i tend to do a decent amount of soldering away from a desk (eg in cars etc)

[xmus]

I had a weller for a LONG time (20+ years?) and it finally gave up the ghost. I replaced it with the 1A (top couple of messages in this thread). Should arrive any day, the price is right....

[tconley]

i got a black and decker for $12 from big lots and it work fine. I came with the bench stand as well.

[NogginBoink]

I have a Weller 100w gun that is roughly 20 years old and still kicking.
With a 100W gun you're going to be frying a lot of components!

[mac_man_luke]

so no one has any experience with the jaycar/goot irons?

[YSEN]

Just wondering if anyone has an opinion on this soldering iron. I am thinking about purchasing it. Just wanted to see if it would be worth it or not.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SOLDERING-STATION-w-TEMP-LED-METER-SOLDER-IRON-NEW_W0QQitemZ290193849039QQihZ019QQcategoryZ109556 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[xmus]

my only concern is that 48W is the power IN, I wonder what the power out is... 20W? 15W? any less than 20W and it may not solder heavy things....

[YSEN]

Gotcha. So definately don't need to go below 20W to be safe?

[xmus]

thats my 2 cents worth 25 watts (OUTPUT) is probably better..... but as in any hobby, who says you need just one soldering iron :) hee hee.

[YSEN]

thanks :)

[fkostyun]

that unit should work pretty well - thats an tenma unit rip off.

http://www.mcmconnect.com/tenma/product/21-7930/Soldering%20Stations

[Sean Bowf]

One of the things I love about my HAKKO 936, is that I can plug it in, turn it on, and in 30 seconds, be melting solder with it. It heats up that fast.

http://mro2go.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/PRODIMAGE/8/821ST612.jpg

It might be ESD certified (as previously mentioned), but I use sockets on pretty much all of my IC chips...so when I am soldering, that really isnt a player.

BTW, I received the soldering station as a gift...not sure I would have dropped that much cash on a soldering station if I had to buy it myself...but now that I have it, I don't know what I would do without it.

Sean

[synnie]

I bought a Dick Smith T1976 off ebay for $40, then found they are only $80 new from Tricky Dickies, but for the amount of soldering i have done with it ( 3 rolls of 100g solder) and it doesnt get turned of for hours once i start, i am very happy with it.

[Keith R]

I bought a Weller WPCPT. Best iron I have ever owned, bar none. About 110.00 at Fry's, list for about 140.00. Heats up in about 20 seconds and the heat is controlled through the tip somehow. I can solder all day long at 0.10" with my trusty Optivisor DA-5 (your eyesight is the first to go, then your memory. Now where was I.....

[tonypgst]

Today I received my delivery confirmation on the blackberry as I pulled into the driveway. Opened the door and found my wife asking me what I purchased this time. The box contained my Hakko 936 that I ordered last week.

While I miss the days of being spoiled using top notch gear performing micro/miniature repairs in the Navy, this unit looks to provide lots of quality soldering time. I had never ventured into buying a quality unit for the home before, but since I'm no longer in the Navy, I do not have access to the tools I had in the past.

Now I patiently wait for the Ren16 Coop to close so my boards can get to their new home.

[Mufassa]

It was suggested that a CSI unit would be much better. I bought one, and after the first use, I wish I had bought it when I started. There are better ones than this one, but it is really hard to beat the price for what you get.
When purchasing be sure to get extra tips, as it only comes with one.

Either of these units are great...
http://circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307


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I use the CSI-Station2A (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7508) listed above. I love it. Best iron I have ever used and a very affordable price, $49.95.

I am planning on picking up one of these. I would rather the 2A but it seems to be out of stock. Any suggestions on types of extra tips to get? I was looking at this:
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7548

Mainly because it looked similar to the one on some of the videos that have been linked lately. Any suggestions as to what works best. I have always gotten by with my Radio Shack special till now. But time to upgrade!

--Greg

[Wayne J]

I am planning on picking up one of these. I would rather the 2A but it seems to be out of stock. Any suggestions on types of extra tips to get? I was looking at this:
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7548

Mainly because it looked similar to the one on some of the videos that have been linked lately. Any suggestions as to what works best. I have always gotten by with my Radio Shack special till now. But time to upgrade!

--Greg

This is the replacement tips I buy and use. KD-M-B

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7545

[Macrosill]

Mufassa,
For our needs a conicle tip, like Wayne uses, is what you need. A flat one like you linked to is going to give you trouble getting into some tight places.

[WWNF911]

I am planning on picking up one of these. I would rather the 2A but it seems to be out of stock. http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7548
--Greg

Hey Greg,

I just ordered one from here. (http://webtronics.stores.yahoo.net/index.html)Looks like they might have stock. On the site it says to check availability, place the item in your shopping cart. I did and it went through. :)

***EDIT*** - Just found out today that even though different website, it is the same company and yes they are backordered. Looks like they're about 2-3 weeks out. (Date stamp - 4/10/08 )


Leon

[Penfold]

What do you guys think about this weller WD1000 station? It's on Ebay right now and will probably be snatched up before I even think about buying it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Weller-WD1000-temperature-controlled-soldering-station_W0QQitemZ250233978920QQihZ015QQcategoryZ10 9556QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[WWNF911]

What do you guys think about this weller WD1000 station? It's on Ebay right now and will probably be snatched up before I even think about buying it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Weller-WD1000-temperature-controlled-soldering-station_W0QQitemZ250233978920QQihZ015QQcategoryZ10 9556QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I think that will do fine. Not much description on e-bay. Here's more I found on the web FYI:

Weller WD1000 80W Soldering Pencil&Stand
WELLER WD1000 Digital Soldering Station with 80W Soldering Pencil features an extra small footprint to free valuable bench space, but that's not all. The Station features the WDH10 Programmable Iron Stand that has three freely programmable and independent temperature buttons that you can preset to your most frequently used settings. The unit has a 3-digit programmable lockout code you set. It also has a programmable temperature offset, settable auto-off time and more.

SPECIFICATIONS:
Power Consumption: 85W
Voltage: 120V (input)/ 24V (output)

Temp Range: 150F - 850F (50C-450C)
Temp Accuracy: +/-9F

ESD Safe: Yes

SPECIAL FUNCTIONS:
Setback: 1-99 min. sets back to idle mode
Standby Temperature: down to 200F

Temperature Lockout: Supervisor controlled
F/C Switching: Display either F- or C-degree

Temperature Offset: +/-72F for hi-mass tips
Auto-Off Time: 1-999 min. power off

INCLUDES:
WD1 Single Channel Power Unit
WSP80 80w/24v Solder Pencil + (1) LTB Tip

WDH10 4-position tilt Pencil Stand
__________________________________________________ ___________________________

My guess is seeing as how this is a $250.00+ station, the current $15.50 price will go way up over the next 2 days. The CSI-STATION2A seemed the best deal for my money and comes with a FREE replacement heating element!

Not to mention that any purchase over $50.00 (This station qualifys) allows you to pick a free gift from a selection of four. :)

Leon

[WWNF911]

Edited my previous post (#31)

[Penfold]

Just out of curiosity has anyone every had much success with the butane type soldering irons?

[wbuehler]

I had a butane iron at one point in my life and it worked great especially when you had a soldering job that needed to be done in a remote location like a car, or an area not close to an outlet.

Bill

[WWNF911]

Yes, I've used them in the field. They are great for doing quick jobs etc. not sure I'd use them for what were doing. (building PCB's, sensitive components etc) Never tried it in a car Bill. I wouldn't want to find out the hard way if there were any fumes. :shock: but it wouldn't be the first time I had to dust off the carbon to continue. :D

Leon

[wbuehler]

Yea I used it all the time when installing speakers, radios, wireharness repair.

Bill

[Mufassa]

Hey Greg,

I just ordered one from here. (http://webtronics.stores.yahoo.net/index.html)Looks like they might have stock. On the site it says to check availability, place the item in your shopping cart. I did and it went through. :)

***EDIT*** - Just found out today that even though different website, it is the same company and yes they are backordered. Looks like they're about 2-3 weeks out. (Date stamp - 4/10/08 )


Leon

I called them yesterday (4.9.08 ) and they told me 2 months out.. I am probably going to just get the 1A as it is basically the same. In-Law's are actually looking for something for my B-Day so they want it sooner rather than later. And hopefully I will have some Ren-16 boards to put my soon to be had parts on... ;)

Thanks for the follow up!

--Greg

[Penfold]

I found a CSI 2A station knock off. The only difference is the name, and it doesn't come with the added bonus of the heating element. There is another

http://www.mpja.com/productsdirect.asp?dept=480&main=79&item1=15860+TL&item2=15845+TL&item3=15140+TL&item4=15141+TL

There is another soldering station for about $14.00, and I see this type all the time on ebay for about ten dollars more. It almost looks like a blue Weller knock off. Does anybody know anything about it and would it be advisable to go with that one as well?

[jeffathompson]

Just out of curiosity has anyone every had much success with the butane type soldering irons?

Yea, I got one but I use it to work on automobile repairs. I think they would generate way to much radiant heat to use for electronics. Plus they really don't run very long on a butane fille and the little tanks are about $1.50 each.

[Penfold]

I am now the proud owner of a CSI Deluxe Station w/Analog Display (CSI-STATION1A), solder, and an extra KD-M-B tip, plus a free nice pliers set!

:cool:

[wbuehler]

Awwww Yea CSI station

:)

[WWNF911]

:twisted: Got mine yesterday. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/cool11.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Whoo hoo!!!!

[Virtus]

I'm keeping the pliers with the station - then I never have to look for them!

[Sloanhaus]

What type of tips do you recommend getting if you are going to be working on Renard boards?

[WWNF911]

What type of tips do you recommend getting if you are going to be working on Renard boards?

These (http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26424&postcount=29) so far have worked out GREAT for me.

[jeffathompson]

I bought a Tool Shop iron from Menards for $4.95. It's nickle plated and lifetime warrenty. When it goes bad, I just take it back and they give me a new one.

[sjwilson122]

Just wanted to throw this out there. I have one of these that my son broke messing with it. After checking it out further to see if it was worth trying to fix, I was so impressed I decided to order two more. It is well made, uses a typical triac driver for tempature control, uses binding posts for electrical connections, fully grounded tip, replacable tip, external ground point for anti static strap and it looks to be a ceramic heater in it. Just be carefull changing tips. The heater tube is held onto the handle by a retaining washer that is a friction fit. The heater tube can spin and twist the element wires off.
( A touch with my mig welder in the right spot stopped that on the new ones.)
http://www.kitsusa.net/phpstore/html/OLC-98-Variable-Temperature-Soldering-Station-1132.html

[Penfold]

If CircuitSpecialist is a little too expensive for shipping and handling of iron tips then may I suggest MPJA.

Standard Conical tip

Circuit Specialist KD-M-B
MPJA 15156 TL

Fine Conical Tip

Circuit Specialist KD-M-1
MPJA 15157 TL

The only bad thing with MPJA is that you have to buy at least $15.00 worth of merchandise.

[rstehle]

Hi, their prices look much better than CSI. Have you tried them to see if they fit the same?

[Penfold]

I actually have bought the two points mentioned in my previous post and the only thing that I have done is a side by side comparrison. So far it looks exactly the same. The Circuit Specialist KD-M-B has a "B" on the side of the tip an the one from MPJA has the same "B" in the same location. I haven't tried to swap out the tip, but I will try it out this weekend while I am desoldering some stuff from my 1st board attempt.

I will keep you posted on my findings

Mike

[omzig]

From the pictures, the CSI and the MPJA stations look identical. They are probably from the same OEM.

[Penfold]

There is a slight difference is the Conical fine tip in that the tip created for MPJA bevels out a little from the tip. Circuit Specialist is a tad more slimmer. I used the MPJA over the weekend and it operated about the same to the Circuit Specialist counterpart. I didn't really run into any issues.

For the sake of argument I would say if you can get your hands on Circuit Specialist tips then go for that, otherwise if you are kind of on a budget the MPJA will do just fine.

[rstehle]

How many hours of use are people getting out of a CSI fine point tip? I bought one of the stations, but no extra tips (dumb me) and just wondering if I need any extras right away?
I did however buy one of ther solder suckers... and it works great!!
Thanks.

[Wayne J]

How many hours of use are people getting out of a CSI fine point tip? I bought one of the stations, but no extra tips (dumb me) and just wondering if I need any extras right away?
I did however buy one of ther solder suckers... and it works great!!
Thanks.

I soldered 2 Ren64's and 30 relays before neededing a new tip. I do run a little higher temp than most though.... 675* - 700*

[Penfold]

What I have done is take a scotch bright pad to the tip after each board that I have soldered and made sure to always tin the tip before I have put it in it's carrier. After two Renard 24's my Circuit Specialist tip is looking good. I haven't done as many connections as Wayne, but I run mine at about 650 F.

[rstehle]

I vary my temps dending on the thickness of the material I am soldering. I usually run between 380 for the finest wires, up to about 550 for fuses and triacs. I have done 16 Ren 16's, a Ren 24, a Grinch, 8 ssr's and an Ledtriks board, and the tip still looks pretty good. Has developed a very minor bend at the very tip........
Probably time to order a couple of spares......

[Josh]

Just got my Black Jack MK20000+ from CSI. I soldered up a freestyle last night. I loved it, but the only thing i have to compare it to is a walmart iron.

It uses the same tips as the CSI station. One thing im not sure the CSI has is a calibration port. This has one built in, you just need the temp probe.

It did come with a free fume extractor, works very well, alot better than the computer fan i used with no filter.

[scorpia]

having just read the last page or 2 about tips needing replaceing.

am i missing something here. i have soldered 3 x ren 16, ren - 64, 2 x grinches + ren-c , ledtricks panels and controller boards etc. plus various other stuff all in the last year. and the tip is no different to when i started.

this is a 10 yo weller iron and the tip is at least 5 yo and been using it consistantly over that time without any sign of wear.

all i do is just wipe the tip on a wet sponge every time i stick it back in the holder.

are the newer tips lower quality or what? anyone know?

i was gonna get a new iron but im im gonna have to replace the tip every 6 months im gonna rethink.

Peter

[Aurbo99]

I've used a Weller WES51 for a few years now, does a fine job.

A big old 50w solder gun from the hardware store handles the bigger wires like extension cords. I think its a Weller too but its too damn cold in the garage to go look. =)

[crperryjr]

Over the course of the last 2 years, I have soldered 10 Ren-16s, 2 LEDTricks (Boards and Panels) 2 Triks-C, and an RDS encoder, all with my cheapo Radioshack model listed below. Never had any problem at all, and the tip still looks great. I probably just got a good one. It does NOT have great reviews on the website, but it works just fine for my limited soldering skills.

Most of the board soldering is done at the low temp setting (20 Watt), and my LED Panels were done on High (40 Watt). Clean and tin the tip after each use, and never let it sit idle for more than 15 minutes. YMMV, IMHO, etc.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062750

[random_rodder]

I've had my solder station for about 2 years now and am working on the same tip. So far I've done the following with it:

1. 2 Olsen 595 controllers
2. 24 four SSR's
3. One Ren-C
4. Two 6809 -> 6309 CPU swap in a Tandy CoCo3 and repair to Tandy MPI
5. Replaced power transistors on an MSI motherboard
6. Replaced 32 capacitors on two Albatron Socket 462 motherboards

And various other projects that are slipping my mind at the moment...

After all of that, the tip is just now beginning to show some signs of use...

[wvengineer]

I use a Weller WTCPT its old old model but still works great.....

[Mudsculpter]

I have had the same tip on my CSI 2A for a couple of years now and the tip is still sharp and shiny. I bought some extra tips with it but at this rate the wand's heating element will probably need replacing before the tip does.

[tlorek]

Just got the Circuit Specialists 2A in the mail tonight. One gripe, it only shows celcius, no farenheit, and I can't find a way to switch it. Oh well. I'll also verify the temperature accuracy this weekend against my Fluke thermometer.

[dhavard]

I must be doing something wrong then. I have used my Weller soldering iron and an el-chepo from walmart and I have to replace the tips after soldering 1 ren16. It's like I overwork the tip and it melts and starts bending. I have tried using a wet sponge to keep it clean and I have also used a tip cleaner/tinner and that doesn't work. I am not sure what I am doing wrong, but I am not having any luck with my tips.

[omzig]

I must be doing something wrong then. I have used my Weller soldering iron and an el-chepo from walmart and I have to replace the tips after soldering 1 ren16. It's like I overwork the tip and it melts and starts bending. I have tried using a wet sponge to keep it clean and I have also used a tip cleaner/tinner and that doesn't work. I am not sure what I am doing wrong, but I am not having any luck with my tips.What solder are you using?

[dhavard]

I am using Radio Shack rosin-core solder. Hope that's ok to use..lol

[Mudsculpter]

I am using Radio Shack rosin-core solder. Hope that's ok to use..lol

Thats what I use with my CSI 2A (tip is still pointy).

[omzig]

I am using Radio Shack rosin-core solder. Hope that's ok to use..lolThat should be fine. The reason I asked is, I bought some no-name solder once at an electronic surplus store and it destroyed tips like you describe. It's like the flux was corrosive but the label said it was rosin-core.

[Penfold]

The Wal-Mart solder iron tips are good for nothing! When I started this venture I bought a Wal-Mart solder iron and before I was done with soldering up a Kit 74 the tip disentigrated. ( I was also using Radio Shack solder). My advice would be to get a soldering iron station that can keep it's temperature like the mentioned CSI's (Best investment I made for this hobby!)

** SIDE NOTE ** Oh and by the way. I bought a tip from WPJA for my CSI 2A since it was cheaper that route and I am happy to report after 4 Ren24's, 2 Ledtriks, 2 Ledtrik-Cs, 3 Ledtrik LED panels, and two little misc. Valentine's Day projects the tip is in great condition!

[dhavard]

The Wal-Mart solder iron tips are good for nothing! When I started this venture I bought a Wal-Mart solder iron and before I was done with soldering up a Kit 74 the tip disentigrated. ( I was also using Radio Shack solder). My advice would be to get a soldering iron station that can keep it's temperature like the mentioned CSI's (Best investment I made for this hobby!)

** SIDE NOTE ** Oh and by the way. I bought a tip from WPJA for my CSI 2A since it was cheaper that route and I am happy to report after 4 Ren24's, 2 Ledtriks, 2 Ledtrik-Cs, 3 Ledtrik LED panels, and two little misc. Valentine's Day projects the tip is in great condition!

Maybe it was the walmart soldering irons. I could get through about 1 board with them if I was fast enough :) I am going to use my Weller this go around (didn't have a small enough tip last time) and see how it goes. Thanks for the replies.

Daniel

[sjwilson122]

Most of the inexpensive soldering irons out there (like the walmart ones) use heavy gauge copper wire (like 4ga or 6ga) that is threaded on one end as the tip. In a pinch you can use a file to put a new tip on them. Then retin it with plenty of flux and solder. Problem is everytime you use it the molecular action of the solder and copper wears away the copper. Also the high heat and cooling cycles degrade the copper. The more expensive units usually have an iron alloy tip that avoids these problems.
I was pleasently supprised by a very inexpensive model I found on line. It is not fancy, just basic but it works great. It has a grounded tip and attatchment point for ground strap. Adjustable temperature and a changeable alloy tip. I have made 2 grinch boards, 2 Ren-c's, 32SSRs, 1 mini grinch and about a dozen other perfboard projects and other odds and ends around the house. The tip is still as good as new. Not to bad for 12.95 plus shipping.
http://www.kitsusa.net/phpstore/html/OLC-98-Variable-Temperature-Soldering-Station-1132.html (http://www.kitsusa.net/phpstore/html/OLC-98-Variable-Temperature-Soldering-Station-1132.html)

[WWNF911]

** SIDE NOTE ** Oh and by the way. I bought a tip from WPJA for my CSI 2A since it was cheaper that route and I am happy to report after 4 Ren24's, 2 Ledtriks, 2 Ledtrik-Cs, 3 Ledtrik LED panels, and two little misc. Valentine's Day projects the tip is in great condition!

The CSI model I bought last year I used to complete all my projects. Same tip and looks great.

[wvengineer]

my tips on my Weller I have had for years, even after soldering and de-soldering many thousands of connections. I think the conical tip I have is at least 5 years old.

[dhavard]

Does anyone use a tip tinner/cleaner when soldering or do you just use a damp sponge and tin with a little solder?

[rstehle]

I just use the sponge that came with my CSI 2A.

[WWNF911]

Does anyone use a tip tinner/cleaner when soldering or do you just use a damp sponge and tin with a little solder?

For the most part I use this after EVERY use. Not just when I turn it on, but after every solder joint/ series of joints. Then occasionally, I'll use the sponge to clean. I try not to use it too much to limit the shock to the tip.

[rkhanso]

I've soldered a bunch of guitar effect pedals, 4 Renard SS24 boards and have done much de-soldering (with copper braid) using THIS IRON (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7484) -- Xytronic 258 -- under $15.

For cleaning the tip - I don't use a sponge. I found THIS cleaner (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7499) which works great. My tip is just as it was when new. Same as WWNF911 (picture of it above)

[GodSpeed]

Not all soldering irons are created equal. I went into this venture with an old Weller SP23 hobby iron. I thought I had a decent iron for this stuff. I struggled a bit with tips and heat, but wrote it off as inexperience. Then it was suggested to pick up a better iron. It was suggested that a CSI unit would be much better. I bought one, and after the first use, I wish I had bought it when I started. There are better ones than this one, but it is really hard to beat the price for what you get.
When purchasing be sure to get extra tips, as it only comes with one.

Either of these units are great...
http://circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307


8)


Is this still considered a good iron for the price?

[ukewarrior]

Having owned them all....

My recommendation is this:

1. Use only a temp controlled station.
2. Buy either a really good one (Weller/Hakko) or find the cheapest one you can that still meets criteria #1. If you go to mcmelectronics, they have a house brand that can be had for under $20.

I have a Weller WES51 as my everyday unit and am happy I spent the money. ($90)

I used the circuit specialties unit for a couple of years, but the handset didn't hold up. Considering it was half the cost of a Weller, I went with the weller the second time around.

So, either get the low cost units and plan to treat them as toasters(throw away when breaks), or get a unit where parts and tips will be available for 20 years..



Is this still considered a good iron for the price?

[GodSpeed]

<----- Utterly confused now. I've read nothing but good things about the CSI-1A and now I'm hearing different. :confused:

[ukewarrior]

There's nothing wrong with the iron you picked.

It's a 'clone' of a Hakko. So, if they copied it faithfully, it will be really good.

All I'm saying is that it's a matter of money.

Yes, you absolutely need temp control.

The rub is: you can get temp control from $20 to $150 with variations all in the middle.

So, pick one and go for it.


<----- Utterly confused now. I've read nothing but good things about the CSI-1A and now I'm hearing different. :confused:

[rstehle]

IMO, if you are only going to use it occasionaly, to build a few boards and such, the CSI station will fit your needs well. I have owned one for almost 2 years, and other than replacing the tip once, it works perfectly. They also include a spare heating element in the box, just in case the original fails. And you can also qualify for a free gift!! Do be sure to order a couple of extra fine point tips.
Just my .02
Randy

[GodSpeed]

This (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7544)

This (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7545)
Or
This (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7550)

[ukewarrior]

Never use a wet sponge.
The temp shock can ruin your tip.

Always use the brass scouring pad as rkhanso recommends.

Btw... you can get replacements for these balls at www.dealextreme.com for only $2.63 with free shipping.



I've soldered a bunch of guitar effect pedals, 4 Renard SS24 boards and have done much de-soldering (with copper braid) using THIS IRON (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7484) -- Xytronic 258 -- under $15.

For cleaning the tip - I don't use a sponge. I found THIS cleaner (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7499) which works great. My tip is just as it was when new. Same as WWNF911 (picture of it above)

[Macrosill]

I use the CSI Station 2A. I have had it about 3 years now. It works great. After an extended period of time being on the front of the handle can get hot but it takes hours for that to happen. Otherwise I love it.

[fkostyun]

I use the CSI Station 2A. I have had it about 3 years now. It works great. After an extended period of time being on the front of the handle can get hot but it takes hours for that to happen. Otherwise I love it.

I'm had mine about three years also - going to be on my third wand (no fault of the unit................)

A couple of months I left it on for 3 days - and it was good, and is still going strong!

[GodSpeed]

They do sound durable. And for the amount I'll be using it, sounds about right.

[Wayne J]

This (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7544)

This (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7545)
Or
This (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7550)

The "KD-M-B" are the replacements I buy, they are just like the OEM tip.

[ukewarrior]

One of the safety features I love about my weller is that it turns itself off after about 45 minutes if it hasn't been used. Somehow it senses a current flow.
It does work.



I'm had mine about three years also - going to be on my third wand (no fault of the unit................)

A couple of months I left it on for 3 days - and it was good, and is still going strong!

[lightman]

Thanks to this thorough thread I just purchased the CSI-STATION2A with extra tips. Came within a few days and I got a free gift - a multimeter (Voltage/current/capacitance, freq/temp...wow!).

Tried station last night and after playing with the temp control (~ 300 deg C) found my sweet spot for circuit board soldering. Very impressed so far. Temp comes up quickly and keeps level constant. Had to try range and 480 deg C can really do some damage. Way too hot for my work.

To date, I have been using an industrial Weller (one temp / controlled) iron and have been very pleased. Of late, it has been acting up a bit (It is ~30 years old), so it was time to convert to variable temp control.

I tried a cheap brand and the tip pitted out after about 3 boards. One thing I learned is that too low of a temp can be very frustrating. I have 8 more boards in the works, so this new iron will get a work out. Based on all the comments here, I should be OK.

Question: What is ideal temp for standard 2 sided PCB soldering with discrete (not surface mount parts)? i.e., 1/8 W resistors, sockets, wires, etc?

I will do some research, but thought one of you could ping a quick answer.

Regards,
Lightman

[g2ktcf]

Thanks to this thorough thread I just purchased the CSI-STATION2A with extra tips. Came within a few days and I got a free gift - a multimeter (Voltage/current/capacitance, freq/temp...wow!).

Tried station last night and after playing with the temp control (~ 300 deg C) found my sweet spot for circuit board soldering. Very impressed so far. Temp comes up quickly and keeps level constant. Had to try range and 480 deg C can really do some damage. Way too hot for my work.

To date, I have been using an industrial Weller (one temp / controlled) iron and have been very pleased. Of late, it has been acting up a bit (It is ~30 years old), so it was time to convert to variable temp control.

I tried a cheap brand and the tip pitted out after about 3 boards. One thing I learned is that too low of a temp can be very frustrating. I have 8 more boards in the works, so this new iron will get a work out. Based on all the comments here, I should be OK.

Question: What is ideal temp for standard 2 sided PCB soldering with discrete (not surface mount parts)? i.e., 1/8 W resistors, sockets, wires, etc?

I will do some research, but thought one of you could ping a quick answer.

Regards,
Lightman

What temp? Well you will get different repsonses but have been using 340C for everything and it has served me well using 0.028" 60/40

[deplanche]

I use around 350 for most parts. Crank it up to 375 or 400 for larger, non-sensative parts like the fuse clips or power connectors, since they have a large area that serves as a heat sink.

[g2ktcf]

Just FYI on tips.......

I have two tips that are being used. The ONLY reason I have the second one is because I bent the first one (but it is still usable).

First Tip = 2 REN64 and 20 SSRs
Second Tip = 12 REN24s, 5,000 LEDs, 1 Helix, 2 Firegods and its still looking great.

These are all CSI tips for a Station-2A.

[lightman]

deplanche and g2ktcf,

Thanks for the temp suggestions. I will crank it up a bit more tonight (340 - 350 deg C).

I am glad to hear about increaseing to 400 deg C for larger areas like power connectors. Otherwise you will sit there a long time to get temp high enough to melt solder for the larger metal masses.

I also purchased two tips in addition to the one that came with the station. Used recommendations from this thread. I appears the swapping out of tips is pretty straight forward (already played with it).

I have been spoiled for years with my "one temp fits all" Weller. It probably is in the upper 400 deg C category. Will measure this weekend with thermo-couple.

Thanks again....Lightman

[dirknerkle]

Just FYI on tips.......

I have two tips that are being used. The ONLY reason I have the second one is because I bent the first one (but it is still usable).



Just curious... how did you bend the first one? Power-soldering?

[Wayne J]

I solder everything on the boards at 680 deg F.

[rstehle]

I solder everything on the boards at 680 deg F.

That would be 360 deg C. :cool:

[Wayne J]

That would be 360 deg C. :cool:

Yes, but I like using Fahrenheit ;)

[lightman]

Well I cranked it up a bit tonight to test, ~330 C, and it did just fine. Even with the larger power connectors. It is behaving like my "Old Weller' (distant cousin to "Old Yeller"). I am about halfway through one of my boards and performance is superior!

I will probably press it up a bit more to 350 for most application. Nice to have control though, especially for more delicate parts.

Tip is staying tinned, even with an occaisional wipe on the damp sponge. Wand is not getting hot to touch near guard (like my cheaper version did). I like that..you can work for hours.

Really appreciate the thread and recommendations. Yet another successful forum story.

Regards,
Lightman

[rstehle]

Yes, but I like using Fahrenheit ;)

Me too, but my CSI 2A only reads out in Deg C,
And I just HAD to find out what temp you were soldering at...........;)

It's kind of like when one of our non-US members says something is 10 mm....... I scrunch up my forehead and try to figure out how much that is in inches.............. :confused: (pulls out ruler with both Inch and MM markings on it and squints)

[WWNF911]

Me too, but my CSI 2A only reads out in Deg C,
And I just HAD to find out what temp you were soldering at...........;)

It's kind of like when one of our non-US members says something is 10 mm....... I scrunch up my forehead and try to figure out how much that is in inches.............. :confused: (pulls out ruler with both Inch and MM markings on it and squints)

Easy,.. it's about that much ;)
^.....^

[Wayne J]

Me too, but my CSI 2A only reads out in Deg C,
And I just HAD to find out what temp you were soldering at...........;)

It's kind of like when one of our non-US members says something is 10 mm....... I scrunch up my forehead and try to figure out how much that is in inches.............. :confused: (pulls out ruler with both Inch and MM markings on it and squints)

Oh... you gotta dowload this then. I use it nearly everyday!
http://www.quadlock.com/about/unit_converter.htm


Easy,.. it's about that much ;)
^.....^

ROTFL!!!!!!!

[D56VillageNut]

I have to second lightman's comments. Thanks to this thread I purchased a CSI 2A and a couple of extra tips. Got the free multimeter as well. I figure if I play with Blinky-Flashy the meter might come in handy.

[Virtus]

Oh... you gotta dowload this then. I use it nearly everyday!
http://www.quadlock.com/about/unit_converter.htm (http://www.quadlock.com/about/unit_converter.htm)

I convert everyday, too, but I use Google (http://www.google.com/). Just type what you know and tell it what units you wish it was in...just type it in the search box.

Examples:

"10.5 cm in inches" and hit ENTER gives "10.5 centimeters = 4.13385827 inches"

"370F in C" and hit ENTER gives "370 degrees Fahrenheit = 187.777778 degrees Celsius"

It works for almost anything.

[Macrosill]

I convert everyday, too, but I use Google (http://www.google.com/). Just type what you know and tell it what units you wish it was in...just type it in the search box.

Examples:

"10.5 cm in inches" and hit ENTER gives "10.5 centimeters = 4.13385827 inches"

"370F in C" and hit ENTER gives "370 degrees Fahrenheit = 187.777778 degrees Celsius"

It works for almost anything.

plus 1 here.

[GodSpeed]

Ordered the CSI1A, extra tips and also got the multimeter. I ordered on Tuesday, I wish it would hurry up and get here. :cry:

[lightman]

The digital multi-meter was a nice touch. It not only covers volts/amp/resistance, it also has a a thermocouple for deg F measurements, Freq counter, and capicitor meter. It comes in a fairly rugged rubber sleeve with large LCD display that is backlit upon command.

Best part it is free! I too plan to keep it with blinky-flashy equipment in garage.

BTW... Mouser shipment just arrived and PCB boards came in last week. This weekend will really give the CSI 2A a work out!

Regards,
Lightman

[PIC]

Thanks for the threads on the solder staions. I had ordered a CSI-2A last month. What a difference :p compared to a radio shack hobby model. I appreciate the recommendation for the CSI-2A and would recommend to anybody looking for to upgrade from a generic iron.

[GodSpeed]

Received my CSI1A last Tuesday and have 2 24SS's all soldered up. Worked like a charm.

[nofear]

Ok, so I'm going to order a CSI and get started more into this. What solder does everyone use?

[WireWrap]

If you can find it, 63/37 is the easiest to work with, followed by 60/40 and hardest is the lead-free -- which takes a much hotter iron temperature. Small diameter (.031") makes for fewer solder bridges.


:)

[cbell]

If you can find it, 63/37 is the easiest to work with, followed by 60/40 and hardest is the lead-free -- which takes a much hotter iron temperature. Small diameter (.031") makes for fewer solder bridges.


:)

Circuit Specialists (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/) (the same place the has the iron) has the 63/37. That's what I used for my first year last year and have been very pleased with the results. I haven't tried the 60/40 so I can't say a whole lot about it.

[nofear]

Thats were I was going to buy it from. So this 0.032" 22 Gauge 1 lb Sn63 / Pb37 Leaded Solder http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/10126

[cbell]

Thats were I was going to buy it from. So this 0.032" 22 Gauge 1 lb Sn63 / Pb37 Leaded Solder http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/10126

This is the one I got last year
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/6262

I'm not sure that there would be that much difference between .031" and .032". Personal preference at that point, but maybe someone can chime in otherwise.

[WireWrap]

Thats were I was going to buy it from. So this 0.032" 22 Gauge 1 lb Sn63 / Pb37 Leaded Solder http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/10126


This is the one I got last year
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/6262
...


I doubt that there's anyone on this board that can hold one piece in each hand and tell which one is .031" and which is .032". Besides, they're fudging it anyway -- 22 gauge is just a smidge over 25 thousandths (.0253).

(Yes, in case you didn't know, the technical term for three ten-thousandths is a "smidge"). :D :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


:)

[Entropy]

Also, if you're "deal-hunting", the CSI-1A and CSI-2A are, as far as I can tell, matches to the Aoyue 936 and 937 respectively. Fairly certain they come out of the exact same factory, along with a few other brands.

Aoyue has a 937+ which replaces the dial with pushbuttons for the digital temperature control.

[rstehle]

(Yes, in case you didn't know, the technical term for three ten-thousandths is a "smidge"). :D :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:)

Ooooooh, Oooooooh, I get so excited when you guys talk 'Technical'..............:D

[WireWrap]

ooooooh, oooooooh, i get so excited when you guys talk 'technical'..............:d

roflmao !!!!


:)

[Wayne J]

dang... this whole time I thought a smidge was a half thousandth, missed it by this much (holding forefinger and thumb VERY close together.)

[WireWrap]

dang... this whole time I thought a smidge was a half thousandth, missed it by this much (holding forefinger and thumb VERY close together.)

Gowllllleeeeey! (as Gomer would say), I never before saw anyone that could hold a smidge less a half!!!!


:)

[dirknerkle]

missed it by this much (holding forefinger and thumb VERY close together.)

Maxwell Smart would be proud.

[random_rodder]

Ya know, I received an email today with pictures of a 'new tape measure by Stanley' that, while strangely appropriate for this discussion, the CONTENT is NOT appropriate for DIYC. At all...


Brian

[WireWrap]

Ya know, I received an email today with pictures of a 'new tape measure by Stanley' that, while strangely appropriate for this discussion, the CONTENT is NOT appropriate for DIYC. At all...


Brian

Should we consider your login name as the basis for your receiving that particular email??? :p :o :p :o :p


:)

[Wayne J]

OK, I think it is time for this to go back on topic now. ;)

[random_rodder]

Should we consider your login name as the basis for your receiving that particular email??? :p :o :p :o :p

:)

Um.... no...


OK, I think it is time for this to go back on topic now. ;)

Agreed...

Way back when I made my entry into this thread (no idea what the post number is), that Chinese Hakko 852 rip-off was the only soldering iron I had. Since I have more room at work I took most of my stuff there. I needed another soldiering iron for home and picked up a $40 Radio Shack soldering station with a Hi-Low switch. I haven't used it half as much as the Chinese knock-off and the R/S units tip is already useless. You get what you pay for...

[WireWrap]

...
You get what you pay for...

Not always....

The truth is "You'll never get what you don't pay for..."


:)

[thuddman]

So, I just tried to order the 3 remaining 2A stations from CSI - 2 were for friends. :) It turns out the website was wrong and they had none left in stock. They are sending me a BlackJack BK2000+ instead.

They also mentioned that the newer version of the 2A, probably named (you guessed it) the 3A is on its way in a month or so. They said it would be very similar with a few extra features, like digital temp setting and remembering the last temp you set it to between power cycles (which I suppose was free with the analog knob!). They also said the power internals of the 2A and the BK2000+ are virtually the same. They also use the same detachable irons. I imagine there is an OEM in China that is cranking these out under many different names.

[jhartley]

Are there any thoughts on the BlackJack SolderWerks Soldering Station BK2000 from circuitspecialists.com? They have it listed as a replacement for the CSI-STATION1A. The specs look very similar. To help the noob that I am, what else would you tack onto this order? Per an earlier post by Wayne J I think this solder should work: 0.032" 22 Gauge 1/2 lb Sn63 / Pb37 Leaded Solder (4885-227G). Should I tack tips onto this order?

Jon

[rstehle]

Absolutely!! IMO you should buy several replacement tips (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7544), a helping hand (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7230), a solder sucker (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/6985), and a tip cleaner (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7499). AND DON'T FORGET YOUR FREE GIFT!! CSI's shipping is quite steep, so you will save a lot on shipping if you combine all the items into one shipment.

[griffixdc]

Are there any thoughts on the BlackJack SolderWerks Soldering Station BK2000 from circuitspecialists.com? They have it listed as a replacement for the CSI-STATION1A. The specs look very similar. To help the noob that I am, what else would you tack onto this order? Per an earlier post by Wayne J I think this solder should work: 0.032" 22 Gauge 1/2 lb Sn63 / Pb37 Leaded Solder (4885-227G). Should I tack tips onto this order?

Jon
so they dont have the csi soldering station right now?

[garyfunk]

For what it's worth, I really like the Weller WESD51. I've been using one at home for the last two years. The tips are great and last a LONG time.

[griffixdc]

For what it's worth, I really like the Weller WESD51. I've been using one at home for the last two years. The tips are great and last a LONG time.

trying not to spend more than 50 bucks on the soldering station....i mean i know i have to buy solder and tips and solder removal tool, but if i can keep it around 50 bucks that would be nice

[brad2157]

Ordered the Circuit Specialties CSI-2A along with a few extra tips and just received it in the mail today. I was amazed to open the non-damaged shipping box, to find the entire bottom of the soldering station broke completely out (probably due to the heavy transformer mounted inside the bottom of the plastic case). I spent the next 45 minutes peicing the case together enough where I could super glue it back together. The front panel surround was peeling off when I got it out of the box. Good thing I bought extra tips, because the tip was bent really bad too. Needless to say, I already regret my order. I am hoping I don't run into any more trouble with it after I actually plug it up and use it. I know it was much cheaper than most soldering stations, but anything brand new shouldn't be in this condition once opening it up. I am sure it may have gotten banged up a little during shipping, but the way it was packaged, the tip wouldn't have gotten bent anyways.

I know most people are going to say "Why don't you return it?". Well, I don't plan to for many reasons...it took a while to get shipped to me, I would have to pay shipping again out of my pocket (would make this cheaper priced soldering station not so cheap anymore), and I am not sure if I would get it back in the same shape again.

Sorry to rave about my experience. I am sure it was all just a mistake or something. So many people have had good luck with their stations from what I have read (hence why I decided to order this one).

[griffixdc]

Ordered the Circuit Specialties CSI-2A along with a few extra tips and just received it in the mail today. I was amazed to open the non-damaged shipping box, to find the entire bottom of the soldering station broke completely out (probably due to the heavy transformer mounted inside the bottom of the plastic case). I spent the next 45 minutes peicing the case together enough where I could super glue it back together. The front panel surround was peeling off when I got it out of the box. Good thing I bought extra tips, because the tip was bent really bad too. Needless to say, I already regret my order. I am hoping I don't run into any more trouble with it after I actually plug it up and use it. I know it was much cheaper than most soldering stations, but anything brand new shouldn't be in this condition once opening it up. I am sure it may have gotten banged up a little during shipping, but the way it was packaged, the tip wouldn't have gotten bent anyways.

I know most people are going to say "Why don't you return it?". Well, I don't plan to for many reasons...it took a while to get shipped to me, I would have to pay shipping again out of my pocket (would make this cheaper priced soldering station not so cheap anymore), and I am not sure if I would get it back in the same shape again.

Sorry to rave about my experience. I am sure it was all just a mistake or something. So many people have had good luck with their stations from what I have read (hence why I decided to order this one).


how much did you get it for?

[brad2157]

The soldering station itself was on sale for $44.95. I think my total order was around $75 though. I ordered this tip cleaner, since I am not crazy about cleaning the tip on a water soaked sponge.

http://www.web-tronics.com/tipclwist4.html

[griffixdc]

The soldering station itself was on sale for $44.95. I think my total order was around $75 though. I ordered this tip cleaner, since I am not crazy about cleaning the tip on a water soaked sponge.

http://www.web-tronics.com/tipclwist4.html

the price sounds good i will see if i can get the same deal....i dont need the tip cleaner already have one just need replacement tips and finer tips :)

[Gebbinn]

where do we get the copper wick to use instead of the solder sucker?

[dirknerkle]

where do we get the copper wick to use instead of the solder sucker?

Use Google to find "solder wick" and you'll find lots of places...

[griffixdc]

Use Google to find "solder wick" and you'll find lots of places...

my local radio shack carries copper wick maybe yours will...but from personal experience the sucker works a lot better, i mean to use both is even better but if i were to chose one or the other i would choose the sucker

[g2ktcf]

not the Rat Shack version! Have heard bad stories about it. Get it from someone else!

[budude]

not the Rat Shack version! Have heard bad stories about it. Get it from someone else!

That's intriguing - - I can't imagine how a simple copper braid could be bad somehow? Mine is from RS and it looks pretty much like any other copper braiding to me? Seems to work fine - but of course I never make soldering errors so haven't needed it much... (cough cough)

[griffixdc]

That's intriguing - - I can't imagine how a simple copper braid could be bad somehow? Mine is from RS and it looks pretty much like any other copper braiding to me? Seems to work fine - but of course I never make soldering errors so haven't needed it much... (cough cough)

lol me either (cough cough) so i mean i wouldn't know which is best to use (cough cough) :).....i still think the suck is best for the mass of de-soldering and the flux is like the broom good for taking the last little bits of solder left.

[garyfunk]

trying not to spend more than 50 bucks on the soldering station....i mean i know i have to buy solder and tips and solder removal tool, but if i can keep it around 50 bucks that would be nice

I went for the long term investment. My previous Weller lasted over 15 years. And having done electronics repair for the last 40 years, I know the benefit of having good quality tools. It's always worth the extra money now to save a lot of money later.

[griffixdc]

I went for the long term investment. My previous Weller lasted over 15 years. And having done electronics repair for the last 40 years, I know the benefit of having good quality tools. It's always worth the extra money now to save a lot of money later.

oi i was trying to save money here :) now your going to have to explain to my wife why i need the better soldering iron station not the cheaper one :)

[griffixdc]

i might be lucky and can solder all my boards at my electrical school i graduated from they have about the 120 dollar range ones :)...i never thought of that...they probably would let me because it would be interesting them to see what i am doing

[Imperialkid]

Ok, so I have done my reading ... still deciding on the Station 2A or "splurging" on the WES51, although I am not sure there is a difference in the quality of those to soldering stations. Now on to solder. Once again, have read up and searched for the recommeded kinds. Out of these two, which is better suited or is there a difference? The one says it is "organic" and the other says it is "clean" solder. Thanks

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kester-245-No-Clean-Wire-Solder-63-37-031-1-lb-Spool-/350430161593?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item519743eab9

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kester-331-Organic-Core-Solder-63-37-031-1-lb-Spool-/230578851544?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35af920ed8

[g2ktcf]

well, 1 pound will last YEARS! look for a 250 gram or a 1/4 spool of "no clean" solder, 0.031" or smaller. You want 60/40 or 63/37.

[IdunBenhad]

Hi:
Guys, I hate to burst the bubble about cleaning soldering iron tips, but the wet sponge in no way cools the tip or does anything to it except clean it. The myth that says the tip "cools" is just so much B.S. If it does, by the time the iron reaches the work, it's back up to temperature.

I discovered this method many years ago before it was common practice. I heard the same thing from the "big boys" where I worked. Except no one was able to prove it!

I talked with the owner of a business that assembles PC boards for other companies and we discussed this very thing. He assembles both SMD and through-hole boards, using all different types of soldering, including hand soldering with irons. All his employees use a wet sponge to clean their irons. He says it does not affect the iron at all.

[Imperialkid]

So the "Slippery Slope" strikes again ... I am having a hard time deciding between the Weller WES 51 and the Weller WES D 51 ... the "D" being the digital display. I have already decided on the Weller because the CSI Station 2A is out of stock and I found a pretty good deal on the Wellers. Also, people have said and I have read on here that the Weller WES stations are very nice and worth the money. It is only $30 bucks more for the digital one. What would you do??

[tdx]

If it's worth $20 to have a digital display then go for it, otherwise I would save that money for tips or solder. I have a digital readout soldering iron at work, its really not much more useful over a knob because they will stay within a few degrees of the setting. I have a Hakko 936 at home with a simple temp knob, I don't see the advantage of a digital readout myself and I do a lot of soldering.

[ags0000]

So the "Slippery Slope" strikes again ... I am having a hard time deciding between the Weller WES 51 and the Weller WES D 51 ... the "D" being the digital display. I have already decided on the Weller because the CSI Station 2A is out of stock and I found a pretty good deal on the Wellers. Also, people have said and I have read on here that the Weller WES stations are very nice and worth the money. It is only $20 bucks more for the digital one. What would you do??

Where did you find the "pretty good deal" on the Weller station?

[Imperialkid]

$129 with free shipping on eBay ... have conducted numerous searches online, and only a few come close to that price. It is NEW and not refurbished. The same seller has the WES51 ofr $99 and the Hakko 936-12 for $87 both also have free shipping. I am just on the fence. Digital is nice, but obviously not necessary.

[bcstuff]

Amazon has it the digital for $129 with free shipping too. I would feel more comfortable with them over ebay.
http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WESD51-Digital-Soldering-Station/dp/B000ARU9PO

[glaforce]

I use a METCAL station they have been around for awhile now and great tips (both standard and SMT) last a long time if taken care of and are fairly cheap. They heat with RF instead of ac or dc current like must other irons. From off and completely cold to soldering in less then 10 seconds (if your one of those that likes to hold on to the tip of the iron to see if its getting hot no one will have to tell you not do that anymore with a METCAL station. The De-soldering iron take a little longer to come up to working temps but that's still under 60 seconds.

I pieced my station together off of eBay and have about $75.00 in it maybe $100.00 new these station are about $2000.00. I use i MBT Pace station at work and its ok but still like my METCAL i hope to talk my boss into a METCAL on of these days.


Below is a picture of my soldering station its the tall black box and the dark gray items under the clip leads. The De-soldering iron is OOS right now i need to replace the RF cable that powers it.

9685

[garyfunk]

I went with the Weller WESD51 because I needed to be able to set the temperature. I work with different components that may require more heat to get a good solider joint. Some require a lower temperature to keep from being damaged. I have found a few other needs where being able to set the temperature has been a blessing.

[kychristmas]

I went with the Weller WESD51 because I needed to be able to set the temperature. I work with different components that may require more heat to get a good solider joint. Some require a lower temperature to keep from being damaged. I have found a few other needs where being able to set the temperature has been a blessing.

I thought that the CSI ones also allowed you to "SET" the temperature, no?

[garyfunk]

I thought that the CSI ones also allowed you to "SET" the temperature, no?

I have never used a circuit specialists station. I prefer known high quality equipment.

[kychristmas]

I have never used a circuit specialists station. I prefer known high quality equipment.

While that model may be fine, Weller is certainly not the quality it once was. Also, I haven't used it, but I will trust the knowledge and experience of the Senior members here that have recommended either of the CSI stations many, many times.

[griffixdc]

I have never used a circuit specialists station. I prefer known high quality equipment.

i prefer quality rather than known

[garyfunk]

While that model may be fine, Weller is certainly not the quality it once was. Also, I haven't used it, but I will trust the knowledge and experience of the Senior members here that have recommended either of the CSI stations many, many times.

That’s probably best for you. No point in spending money you don’t have to.

[g2ktcf]

This thread has taken in interesting turn. Of course these are all opinions and everyone should remember that.

1. Higher Price does not always mean higher quality.
2. Higher Price does not always mean better value.
3. Lower Price does not always mean lesser quality.
4. Lower Price does not always mean better value.

so how do you know the difference?? Well you ask someone who has the experience with more than one station. ANY top shelf temperature controlled station will work. It is this group's studied opinion that the best PRICE vs PERFORMANCE (aka as VALUE) is the CSI stations.

I do not represent CSI but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express once. :D

[garyfunk]

This thread has taken in interesting turn. Of course these are all opinions and everyone should remember that.

1. Higher Price does not always mean higher quality.
2. Higher Price does not always mean better value.
3. Lower Price does not always mean lesser quality.
4. Lower Price does not always mean better value.

so how do you know the difference?? Well you ask someone who has the experience with more than one station. ANY top shelf temperature controlled station will work. It is this group's studied opinion that the best PRICE vs PERFORMANCE (aka as VALUE) is the CSI stations.

I do not represent CSI but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express once. :D

Yes. Thank you. In the future I will keep my years of experence and professional advice to myself I will now rerturn to read-only mode.

[budude]

Yes. Thank you. In the future I will keep my years of experence and professional advice to myself I will now rerturn to read-only mode.

I'm really not sure why you responded in this fashion? There are probably hundreds of folks both here and on other DIY forums that have recommended the CSI stations and I have yet to hear of anyone complaining about them - so it's safe to say based on that that it is a good choice and exactly as Chris indicated especially for the cost involved. I don't see any reason why you saw this as a negative against you buying the Weller station.

If it means anything at all, I have an old Weller with temperature controlled tips - no control analog or digital - you would have to pry it from my dead hands to get it though - love it...

[kychristmas]

Yes. Thank you. In the future I will keep my years of experence and professional advice to myself I will now rerturn to read-only mode.

Chris simply pointed out that everyone has opinions and essentially reiterated that fact that the CSI is a good workstation. If you can only provide your advice in a rude and arrogant way, then it may be for the best that you go back to being silent.

When I read your post, I thought you were implying that the CSI models did not provide Temperature control. So I asked. Both, because the CSI was the orignal recommendation in this thread and because I was getting ready to purchase one.

Your signature says your a Professional Web Developer. So your "professional advice" on soldering irons comes from this? Interesting. After 12+ years of Web development, I have never used a soldering iron professionally.

[dirknerkle]

After 12+ years of Web development, I have never used a soldering iron professionally.

How else could you create a "hot" web site without the use of an iron???

:lol:

[Penfold]

Remember as a side note that if you need soldering tips for your Circuitspecialist 2A, you can always use the tips from MPJA. I have been using a tip from them for about a year and a half now and still going strong. The only draw back is that you have to order at least 25 bucks worth of stuff, but their shipping is pretty decent. They also have 2A like soldering station there as well, but I haven't tried it.

[garyfunk]

Your signature says your a Professional Web Developer. So your "professional advice" on soldering irons comes from this? Interesting. After 12+ years of Web development, I have never used a soldering iron professionally.

No, my experience comes from being and electronics tech, in and out of the military, for over 30 years and repairing tens of thousands of circuits at the component level. But just because I have a small number of posts, I am dismissed as I don't have the "knowledge and experience of the Senior members."

But that is okay. You don't know me or my qualifications and my opinion doesn't matter here, norwill it change the world.

That's all I have to say. Sorry if I offended anyone, and I'm sorry I was offended.

[dirknerkle]

Remember as a side note that if you need soldering tips for your Circuitspecialist 2A, you can always use the tips from MPJA. I have been using a tip from them for about a year and a half now and still going strong. The only draw back is that you have to order at least 25 bucks worth of stuff, but their shipping is pretty decent. They also have 2A like soldering station there as well, but I haven't tried it.

I bought a 2A this past spring and it came with the sharpest point tip I've ever seen. I mean, the darned thing is a weapon. I'm certain that in various hospital stays that I've been the recipient of hypodermic syringes that weren't anywhere near as sharp. I played with it for a bit but set it aside as I didn't have many projects going on.

I've just started to use it and it's come in really handy when trying to solder tiny pads that are surrounded by an unprotected/unmasked ground plane. Wow! It sure in neat to watch it heat up though -- very quick, and it stays at temp dead-on.

As an aside, I also bought a 5x lighted magnifier for my bench, too and zowie! What a tremendous improvement that is for these tired old eyes as an additional soldering aid!

[griffixdc]

I bought a 2A this past spring and it came with the sharpest point tip I've ever seen. I mean, the darned thing is a weapon. I'm certain that in various hospital stays that I've been the recipient of hypodermic syringes that weren't anywhere near as sharp. I played with it for a bit but set it aside as I didn't have many projects going on.

I've just started to use it and it's come in really handy when trying to solder tiny pads that are surrounded by an unprotected/unmasked ground plane. Wow! It sure in neat to watch it heat up though -- very quick, and it stays at temp dead-on.

As an aside, I also bought a 5x lighted magnifier for my bench, too and zowie! What a tremendous improvement that is for these tired old eyes as an additional soldering aid!

still looking for soldering station and fine tips..so where did you get this @a and their fine tip that is sounds so awsome:)

[dirknerkle]

still looking for soldering station and fine tips..so where did you get this @a and their fine tip that is sounds so awsome:)

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/

Just checked; they're about $45 but none in stock right now. I'd forgotten that it wasn't very expensive. It's just an unbelievably good quality soldering station for only $45.

Oops... they say they've replaced it with a different unit. About the same thing.

[mattrob]

I've been looking at buying a new iron and when I went to the CS site for the 1A, which is out of stock, it said they were offering the Blackjack BK2000 as a temporary substitute. But when I looked at the Blackjack, it is listed as on sale for $29.95 (but out of stock). In the event it is on sale and in stock (maybe next week), does it look like a worthy substitute for the 1A? Same temperature range, but 35W instead of 40W (more efficient?). It seems like a good price to me.

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/9747

[griffixdc]

I've been looking at buying a new iron and when I went to the CS site for the 1A, which is out of stock, it said they were offering the Blackjack BK2000 as a temporary substitute. But when I looked at the Blackjack, it is listed as on sale for $29.95 (but out of stock). In the event it is on sale and in stock (maybe next week), does it look like a worthy substitute for the 1A? Same temperature range, but 35W instead of 40W (more efficient?). It seems like a good price to me.

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/9747

i wondering the same thing....i also looked at soldering irons..

they have a variable temperature soldering iron for 12 bucks and can reach almost as hot as the soldering stations...are these just as good? it doesn't come with the iron holder but i can fabricate one or buy one cheap would this approach be the right way to go or would a soldering station be the right way to go...are there any added benefits in comparison

[TheBanker]

While that model may be fine, Weller is certainly not the quality it once was. Also, I haven't used it, but I will trust the knowledge and experience of the Senior members here that have recommended either of the CSI stations many, many times.

So why are you even giving an opinion here? What do you base your opinion of Weller no longer being of quality it once was? If you have no direct knowledge of the CSI why would you even give input on it?

Garyfunk, thank you for your input, I appreciate it on the forum, please continue doing so.

[griffixdc]

So why are you even giving an opinion here? What do you base your opinion of Weller no longer being of quality it once was? If you have no direct knowledge of the CSI why would you even give input on it?

Garyfunk, thank you for your input, I appreciate it on the forum, please continue doing so.

well you talked Kychristmas down like his voice doesn't matter although he is experienced enough with this sort of thing i take his opinion seriously. But look at the big picture we are arguing personal preference. they cost just about the same...they have the same specs they are both good from what i know buy what best suits you...i personally have used the older Weller's they work great ...the newer ones not as rigid as the older ones so i can see how people can say they aren't as good as they used to be....conclusion they are both great soldering stations and will deliver your needs unless your needs demand more commercialized soldering, they will last about the same time give or take unless you get a "lemon". I also believe the senior members have done a lot of soldering 50x's more than me but their opinion on either products seem to be the same or in field of preference.


EDIT: i didn't read what KYCHRISTMAS posted but it seems like he was going to go into read only mode...regardless i still respect a lot of what he says

[kychristmas]

So why are you even giving an opinion here? What do you base your opinion of Weller no longer being of quality it once was? If you have no direct knowledge of the CSI why would you even give input on it?

Garyfunk, thank you for your input, I appreciate it on the forum, please continue doing so.

Why don't you read all of my posts on the subject. I didn't give an opinion on the CSI and my Weller opinion is based on other products as well as a Simple pencil soldering iron that I returned twice. I was commenting on the fact that he had stated he preferes "Known Quality" That is fine, I simply pointed out that other Senior Members have recommended it as "Known Quality"

If you are not going to read to entire story, don't comment make a comment about what I said. You've been on the site for less than a month and all you can do is start trouble!

[kychristmas]

No, my experience comes from being and electronics tech, in and out of the military, for over 30 years and repairing tens of thousands of circuits at the component level. But just because I have a small number of posts, I am dismissed as I don't have the "knowledge and experience of the Senior members."

But that is okay. You don't know me or my qualifications and my opinion doesn't matter here, norwill it change the world.

That's all I have to say. Sorry if I offended anyone, and I'm sorry I was offended.

You need to re-read things. Nobody dismissed your opinions. You got defensive over nothing. My original response was truly trying to make sure that the CSI was considerign "Temperature Controlled" because your posts implied it wasn't.

I really don't get all of this hastle!

[griffixdc]

shhhhh! its ok all soldering irons ...weller; CSI they are both good, buy whats in your budget and what your needs are



EDIT: the shhh is towards the fighting :)

[TheBanker]

Ok, reset.....we are all being too sensitive. It's all a bit to silly. I jsut felt another new member "garyfunk" needed to be defended. But maybe he was being a bit sensitive.

Gary one thing I have learned from these forums is that there are a lot of pretty big egos, including myself, and you must try and not take things personally.

I don't have either of those soldering irons. I have just ordered the xtronic station because it looks to be the best value for the best quality.....but....we shall find out, won't we?

Sorry, KY just felt that he was feeling ganged up on. It is in my nature...I am a "defender".

[griffixdc]

Sorry, KY just felt that he was feeling ganged up on. It is in my nature...I am a "defender".

its in my instincts also. i am glad you more less apologized.

[kychristmas]

Sorry, KY just felt that he was feeling ganged up on. It is in my nature...I am a "defender".

Fair enough. Apology accepted and I too offer mine.

[dirknerkle]

Everybody, let's all cool down. This is the classic "Chevy vs. Ford" argument with a little NIH (not invented here) and "my turf is better than your turf" thrown in for good measure. Nobody can or should win.

DIY is all about using the equipment you have or finding some that will work for you and enjoying making rewarding projects for nobody else's enjoyment but your own. Being able to say "Hey, I made that myself!" is a lot of fun.

I have a sign in my office that reads, "Be reasonable. Do it my way." I've used it as a springboard for reminding not only our staff by myself of how boneheaded we all can be when we close our minds to new ideas.

Let's not do that here.

[griffixdc]

Everybody, let's all cool down. This is the classic "Chevy vs. Ford" argument with a little NIH (not invented here) and "my turf is better than your turf" thrown in for good measure. Nobody can or should win.

DIY is all about using the equipment you have or finding some that will work for you and enjoying making rewarding projects for nobody else's enjoyment but your own. Being able to say "Hey, I made that myself!" is a lot of fun.

I have a sign in my office that reads, "Be reasonable. Do it my way." I've used it as a springboard for reminding not only our staff by myself of how boneheaded we all can be when we close our minds to new ideas.

Let's not do that here.

if only this forum was like Facebook i would have just clicked the "like" link :) exactly what i was trying to say , obviously your better with words then me :) great motto to remind yourself with i have a few like that, one is "you cannot solve today's problems with the same level of thinking that created them"

[griffixdc]

i wondering the same thing....i also looked at soldering irons..

they have a variable temperature soldering iron for 12 bucks and can reach almost as hot as the soldering stations...are these just as good? it doesn't come with the iron holder but i can fabricate one or buy one cheap would this approach be the right way to go or would a soldering station be the right way to go...are there any added benefits in comparison

just trying to bump my question since it never got answered :(

[g2ktcf]

Variable Temp is not the same as Temperature Controlled. HOT is not important...remaining consistent is important. IMHO you are taking an un-nessary risk. Just so you know, soldering issues are the hardest ones to troubleshoot from my end.

[buymyemu]

Heath from CSI just replied to my email, station 3a will not be available for at least 3 months. Since the 2a and 3a are not available iIs the Blackjack good enough?

[ukewarrior]

You know, I wondered if the $100 or so I paid for my Weller was really such a good idea.
After 4 years and thousands of joints, I am all so happy that I spent the extra bucks.
http://cgi.ebay.com/WELLER-SOLDER-STATION-WES51-50-WATT-ADJUSTABLE-HEAT-NEW-/380201434960?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5885c57f50
-OR-
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/96-1760&green=5827823007&utm_campaign=MyBuys&utm_medium=Recommendation&utm_source=prod&utm_term=96-1760
Now, if you only plan to solder 6 boards and have no other electronics ambitions, then I'd spend $30 on the solder station from MCM electronics.
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/TENMA-21-7945-/21-7945
I've seen them sell this same unit for $19 on sale from an american based seller:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ZD-99-MINI-SOLDER-STATION-/350438387137?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5197c16dc1
The point is, either go real cheap (yet temp controlled), or buy a pro quality station.

[taybrynn]

The 2a is $45, but basically out of stock everywhere I've looked and listed as discontinued.

The $50 (45w) Aoyue 937+ has good reviews and $3.95 replacement tips.

http://sra-solder.com/product.php/6145/1

I also think the $59 (70w) CSI 2900 looks good and also has good reviews,
but the tips are more expensive at $9.50, but are quick change and incl. heating elements in each tip.

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8396

[griffixdc]

The 2a is $45, but basically out of stock everywhere I've looked and listed as discontinued.

The $50 (45w) Aoyue 937+ has good reviews and $3.95 replacement tips.

http://sra-solder.com/product.php/6145/1

I also think the $59 (70w) CSI 2900 looks good and also has good reviews,
but the tips are more expensive at $9.50, but are quick change and incl. heating elements in each tip.

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8396
well without using either one they both look worth their price...the only difference i see is that one published lead free capable and the other doesn't...you pay 10 more for it . the other one comes with an extra heating element ...i think they both have their pros and cons but both are going to last you a few years or many soldering boards

[bcstuff]

I believe I read somewhere that the BlackJack BK2000/BK200+ has the same internals as the CSI 1a/2a.
The BlackJack has a aluminum case as opposed to the CSI model has a plastic case.

Looking at the specs of the BK2000 and the 1a the only difference I see is the wattage, but everything else is the same including temp range.

I ordered the BK2000 analog model with a fume extractor for $45 from this link at CSI
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/level.itml/icOid/9745

Brian

[g2ktcf]

folks, I would jump all over that if I needed one now.

[griffixdc]

folks, I would jump all over that if I needed one now.

i hate to ask what might be a stupid question...what soldering setup were you referring to?

[g2ktcf]

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/level.itml/icOid/9745

[kychristmas]

OK, after reading the Lead Free blurb on CSI site, I now see that I am going to have to add Leaded Solder to the list of things I'm stockpiling. Man, if the Nanny-State continues to take away, I'm going to have to put an addition on my house to store it all :)

[buymyemu]

Thanks for the replies...

I do not think at my age (not nearly as ancient as Idunbenhad!, nor as funny ('sometime I let her sleep', 'she ain't saying much, mostly cause she's not here') I will be building too many things that require soldering. I have 3 boards on the way from the group buy, prob add a few more each year.. so I won't be using it daily.

The $29 blakjack on sale prob will do the job,. I did find the Weller somewhere on line for $88 plus ship,

here is a question. The CSI site states that lead solder is illegal (maybe) for european manufacturers, does that mean that I may not be able to get leaded solder someday, or may run into something that has unleaded, and I won't be able to take it apart, Therefore driving a requirement for a hotter iron?

[g2ktcf]

for some rework it will be pain. REMOVING a non-leaded soldered joint is not too difficult. I typically clean the pads, use some flux and then use 60/40 to repair it.

[smoothice]

bk2000 is out of stock for another 3-4 weeks. Even though the page says there are 106 in stock of the bk2000 + bk486 fan combo deal. That only means they have 106 in stock of the fan.

[bcstuff]

I must have got one of the last one of that BK2000 fume extractor Combo, mine arrived just a couple of days ago.

Bummer, but they will replenish stock or the 3a will be there.

[ukewarrior]

yes, it is true that Europe is moving away from all 'toxic' metals in PCB construction. Lead, Cadmium and others. This is under the ROHS specification. The real question is this: Should you be stock piling some 60/40 solder. I say that you should. I have 4 spools of Kester and that should last me the rest of my life. If you look around, you can find closeout deals online for this high quality product.
BUT, be sure to also invest in a fume extraction fan when you buy your solder station. That deal noted below where you can get the solder station and the fume extractor for $45 seems like a very good deal to me.
Thanks for the replies...

I do not think at my age (not nearly as ancient as Idunbenhad!, nor as funny ('sometime I let her sleep', 'she ain't saying much, mostly cause she's not here') I will be building too many things that require soldering. I have 3 boards on the way from the group buy, prob add a few more each year.. so I won't be using it daily.

The $29 blakjack on sale prob will do the job,. I did find the Weller somewhere on line for $88 plus ship,

here is a question. The CSI site states that lead solder is illegal (maybe) for european manufacturers, does that mean that I may not be able to get leaded solder someday, or may run into something that has unleaded, and I won't be able to take it apart, Therefore driving a requirement for a hotter iron?

[budude]

It's not just Europe - most companies in the US are the same. There are several companies/schools that will not accept devices without the ROHS sticker on them.

Personally I don't think there's much to lead fumes when soldering but if it helps you sleep at night by all means get a fan..

[dirknerkle]

It's not just Europe - most companies in the US are the same. There are several companies/schools that will not accept devices without the ROHS sticker on them.

Personally I don't think there's much to lead fumes when soldering but if it helps you sleep at night by all means get a fan..

Or take an old cooling fan out of a dead PC power supply and hook it up to a 9vdc wall wart and set it within about 10" of where you're soldering, aiming it away from you. It will create just enough of a breeze to pull any soldering vapors away yet still be quiet because you're only giving it 9vdc instead of 12vdc. Works like a dream.

[buymyemu]

I never really thought about a fume extractor...

Lets see...
Do you guys have any of these:


The symptoms of lead poisoning may include:

* Abdominal pain and cramping (usually the first sign of a high, toxic dose of lead poison)
* Aggressive behavior
* Anemia
* Constipation
* Difficulty sleeping
* Headaches
* Irritability
* Loss of previous developmental skills (in young children)
* Low appetite and energy
* Reduced sensations
Baldness

Looks like I need a fume extractor and I don't even solder

[wonko]

I never really thought about a fume extractor...

Lets see...
Do you guys have any of these:


The symptoms of lead poisoning may include:

* Abdominal pain and cramping (usually the first sign of a high, toxic dose of lead poison)
* Aggressive behavior
* Anemia
* Constipation
* Difficulty sleeping
* Headaches
* Irritability
* Loss of previous developmental skills (in young children)
* Low appetite and energy
* Reduced sensations
Baldness

Looks like I need a fume extractor and I don't even solder


I thought those were the symptoms of trying to get your display up and running each year.

[griffixdc]

Aoyue 937+ ...or the Weller wlc100 ... i am having a real hard time deciding lol i have been looking back and forth for about a week now. then i look at a lead free version and then i go back to these again...what is the best tip or size for the Weller wlc100 for these boards....i think i might get the Weller because the tips are about half the price, but i am still unsure

PS: still unsure what classifies being lead free....my assumption is higher heat, but that doesn't seem to be the case with any specifications on any unit claiming to be a lead free soldering station. from what i have seen they range in 45 watts up to 80 watts unless they are a heat gun for SMD then they have higher watt power ratings. Then i look at heat ratings and the "lead free" is the same as the regular solder units ; roughly 400-900 f no matter the watt ratings, so then how is higher heat/or higher watt is what classifies "lead free" i am confused :)

[g2ktcf]

lead free is not about heat...its about how fast the tip temperature recovers once you melt the solder. Most of the ones I have seen labeled for Lead Free have heating elements embedded into the tip itself. Personally, I am not going near lead free for the foreseeable future.

[Gebbinn]

All of the lead free soldering tutorials and information I have been researching leaves me with the impression that the heat involved in the lead free soldering process has a much greater chance of damaging either the board or the components.

I went with the leaded stuff. I bought the Blackjack BK2000 with a 1# roll of 63/37 solder and it works like a dream.

[Mactayl]

Yep I've been using the leaded solder for many years 60/40, 63/37 and the lead hasn't hurt me none, now I have an awful twitch in my neck, my hands keep shaking, I can add 2+2=3 but nope the leaded solder hasn't bothered me a bit.:shock::shock:

[cessnapilot]

Does anybody have any experience with the Hakko FX-888 (http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX-888.html?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=website&utm_content=CTR2&utm_campaign=feb11). It is what is replacing the 936.

[griffixdc]

Does anybody have any experience with the Hakko FX-888 (http://www.all-spec.com/products/FX-888.html?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=website&utm_content=CTR2&utm_campaign=feb11). It is what is replacing the 936.

but does the 937+ replace the 936 ? lol i dunno though i can find the hakko on ebay for like 44 free shipping no tax

[wonko]

I've got the Aoyue 937+ and am pretty pleased so far. Some people had complained about the handle getting hot but I've had it on for almost 1/2 hour and it was still bearable. IMO you can't beat it for the price. I also like that it comes with a spare heating element and seem to be fairly easy to calibrate if the need should arise.

Brian

[griffixdc]

I've got the Aoyue 937+ and am pretty pleased so far. Some people had complained about the handle getting hot but I've had it on for almost 1/2 hour and it was still bearable. IMO you can't beat it for the price. I also like that it comes with a spare heating element and seem to be fairly easy to calibrate if the need should arise.

Brian
thanks brian for your input i am stuck between the Aoyue 937+ and the weller wlc100 and the Blackjack3000 lead free solder station all around the same price but as i see it the weller has the cheapest cost replacement tips

[wonko]

thanks brian for your input i am stuck between the Aoyue 937+ and the weller wlc100 and the Blackjack3000 lead free solder station all around the same price but as i see it the weller has the cheapest cost replacement tips

If it were me I think I would go with the Weller. Weller has been around for years, and offers a good solid product. I haven't looked into replacement tips for either iron, but if you plan on doing allot soldering then it may be cheaper in the long run for you to go with the Weller. I'm fortunate that I have a good electronics supply store locally so I don't have to pay $6.00 to have a $2.00 part shipped. I have no experience with the Blackjack products so I can't speak from personal experience on those.

Brian

[griffixdc]

If it were me I think I would go with the Weller. Weller has been around for years, and offers a good solid product. I haven't looked into replacement tips for either iron, but if you plan on doing allot soldering then it may be cheaper in the long run for you to go with the Weller. I'm fortunate that I have a good electronics supply store locally so I don't have to pay $6.00 to have a $2.00 part shipped. I have no experience with the Blackjack products so I can't speak from personal experience on those.

Brian
yeah i think thats where i am leaning towards :)

[mrpackethead]

I've just bought ( litterally last week ) a Hakko FX-951, its awesome. Its not that much difference from teh FX-888, Heres what i love, Replaceable tips that i can switch between very easily. ( great for going between Lead and lead free solder without contaimination )... Its sleep function so that after 30s it will cool down when put back in its stand.

With a "BC" tip i can reliably hand solder 64 pin 4" TQFP with it, in a few sconds ( yes, that 64 pins in just a few seconds ).. I'm stocked, its an awesome machine.. Only thing with hakko is the new tips are not cheap.

[bcstuff]

Looks like the CSI 1A analog solder station is back in stock for $29.95.

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307

Brian

[smoothice]

Thanks for the update.

[mattrob]

Looks like the CSI 1A analog solder station is back in stock for $29.95.

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307

Brian

Thanks for posting that, I probably would have missed it!

[gmbartold]

I've been waiting for the CSI 1A to be back in stock. I was planning to buy some extra tips. I see there are many to choose from. Could I get a recommendation of what size tips to purchase for doing PC boards?
Thanks,
Gary

[kychristmas]

I've been waiting for the CSI 1A to be back in stock. I was planning to buy some extra tips. I see there are many to choose from. Could I get a recommendation of what size tips to purchase for doing PC boards?
Thanks,
Gary

I'm getting ready to get one. Was going to wait for the Digital, but I think this is great.

From one of Wayne's post early in this thread. Here's what I have in my cart.

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7545

I'm sure a bunch of people will be jumping on this. Don't forget about the Free Gift coupon codes.

[g2ktcf]

the stock tip that came with the iron is the one I use the most. It is a conical tip and is NOT the fine one..the fine one is like a needle and it works for SMD stuff okay. I am not sure what the stock size is but maybe you can ask.

[smoothice]

the stock tip that came with the iron is the one I use the most. It is a conical tip and is NOT the fine one..the fine one is like a needle and it works for SMD stuff okay. I am not sure what the stock size is but maybe you can ask.

Just asked what tip comes on the csi1a. It is this one KD-M-1

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7544

[griffixdc]

good to know i added that tip to my cart ...its the work horse tip basically other than a fine tip chisel you will use this one the most so i ordered 2 although now i only have to order 1 :) i also ordered the 2 different semi-fine tips. KD-M-LB, and KD-M-B


It sucks though shipping is so much makes the unit cost as much as the Weller on Amazon which sells for 42.00 plus FREE shipping and handling no tax....between amazon's Weller tips and CSI's prices for CSI tips they cost the same

[kychristmas]

Why don't you read all of my posts on the subject. I didn't give an opinion on the CSI and my Weller opinion is based on other products as well as a Simple pencil soldering iron that I returned twice. I was commenting on the fact that he had stated he preferes "Known Quality" That is fine, I simply pointed out that other Senior Members have recommended it as "Known Quality"

If you are not going to read to entire story, don't comment make a comment about what I said. You've been on the site for less than a month and all you can do is start trouble!

I wanted to make sure that I posted back just in case someone had the mistaken impression I know what I'm talking about. Last night, I was cleaning out some Hobby Junk boxes. I came across a few dead soldering irons. Including one that I was sure was a Cheap Weller station that I purchased from Fry's. As it turns out, my brain just mixed up names. While the Pencil type that I had was a weller and it did have to replaced twice, the other cheaper station I had was actually Velleman. This thing is Garbage, but its not a Weller.

http://www.frys.com/product/4825190

The sad thing is that I paid almost as much for it at the time as I just did this mornign for the CSI-1A

[rstehle]

Kelly, I think you may want to update your 'IGNORE' list............... I did mine several weeks ago........... if you get my drift.............

[gmbartold]

Just a note to say thanks! I found the Wayne's post on the soldering tip. Post #23 on 04/02/2008, page 3. I'm not good at finding information that I need on the forum yet. As in this case, I jumped to the more recent posts thinking that the older posts were outdated. Low and behold, I was wrong (first time ever). I read over 200+ posts and actually found all the information that I needed. It's good to know that the CSI-1A has been recommended for the last 3 years. Now to place my order.

Gary

[kychristmas]

I just finally placed my order with CSI. Not sure why I have been holding off. I placed an order last year and when it was back ordered I canceled it. My current "Station" is something I made when I was 13 out of a 35 watt RS pencil Iron. Yep its over 30 years old. Of course it has served me well from my haking days to soldering 2 Ren 64s, 32 SSRozs, 7 Ren 24s, 4 Ren 16s, and a Ren 48LSD. My sons will be happy to inherit it.

I'm so excited to try a real soldering station.

[griffixdc]

I just finally placed my order with CSI. Not sure why I have been holding off. I placed an order last year and when it was back ordered I canceled it. My current "Station" is something I made when I was 13 out of a 35 watt RS pencil Iron. Yep its over 30 years old. Of course it has served me well from my haking days to soldering 2 Ren 64s, 32 SSRozs, 7 Ren 24s, 4 Ren 16s, and a Ren 48LSD. My sons will be happy to inherit it.

I'm so excited to try a real soldering station.
wow you made your soldering station ? awesome lol i was thinking of doing something like that ...having a variable selector switch like a rheostat control the power of the iron then have a stand for it, but they make soldering stations....i dont want to disappoint you but things were made much better 30 years ago; durability and quality, so what may have cool features now will always lack the quality and durability of the past years....they do make products with durability and quality but they dont sell for less then 1000 dollars :( in the soldering world maybe 500 dollars you have to find industrial grade and not industrial grade because they say so but industrial grade because it is...i know confusing :)...it confuses me all the time thats point to trick you .... but good luck i ordered the same one so we can evaluate it around the same time :)

[dunnsr]

I ordered my CSI 1A a couple months back and it came with the needle tip... I thought it wouldve come with a better conical tip myself, but i burned up the needle tip and have since orderd the 2mm chisel tip which works wonderful and i love. it is actually a bit big for some things, however i just work with one corner of it then, but on the big pads that require more heat, i love this thinig.

Seth

[gmbartold]

I received my order from CSI today which included the CSI-1A soldering station, extra tips, 1 lb of 60/40 solder, etc. plus the free gift coupon got me a digital multimeter which is much better then I expected. It's a full size meter 3.5" X 7.5", back lighted, with a hard rubber case that fits around the edges. It also has a hold button. This will replace my 30+ year old Micronta digital meter. All items were received in excellent condition.
Since I missed the Round 1 of the Renard SS buy, I have no PC boards to build. :(

[griffixdc]

I received my order from CSI today which included the CSI-1A soldering station, extra tips, 1 lb of 60/40 solder, etc. plus the free gift coupon got me a digital multimeter which is much better then I expected. It's a full size meter 3.5" X 7.5", back lighted, with a hard rubber case that fits around the edges. It also has a hold button. This will replace my 30+ year old Micronta digital meter. All items were received in excellent condition.
Since I missed the Round 1 of the Renard SS buy, I have no PC boards to build. :(
yeah i got my 2 days ago but missed the 50 dollar mark by like 4 bucks non of the stuff was interesting to me and or i have them so i passed up those freebies i would have much rather took free shipping than a free gift but too late

[ags0000]

I just picked up a Weller DES51 from Frys for $75 after a $20 rebate. That's a pretty good price (from what I've seen) for a solid (hopefuly) station. It's my first temp-controlled station. I decided I liked the readily-available tips (with no shipping). I'm guessing the manufacturer is clearing these out to roll out a new leadless station - but that's just a guess. If that's important to you you may want to wait.

[Donald.Landru]

What are the thoughts about the csi-2a replacement http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/10369

I am trying to decide between this station and the 1a.


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[rstehle]

What are the thoughts about the csi-2a replacement http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/10369

I am trying to decide between this station and the 1a.


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I had the opportunity to try out one of the new 2a startions about a week ago, to assist a friend buildilng an SS16. The iron worked great. Handle didn't get real warm, and the temp stayed very constant. BE SURE TO ORDER SOME EXTRA CONICAL FINE POINT TIPS.

[bcstuff]

They still have the original analog version and it is on sale... If you ask me it is just less parts to break, do you really need a digital read out?
CSI-STATION 1A $29.95

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7307

[tstraub]

I have the 1A and it works great. I would go with the 1A and spend the $20 you save on extra tips, a tip cleaner, and a IC Extraction Tool (http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/3556).

Just my $.02
Tyler

[Donald.Landru]

I think I will go with the 1a. I am looking at the extra tips what is the difference of the KD-M-1 and the KD-M-B? They are the same price and appear to be almost the same thing.

[bcstuff]

Just asked what tip comes on the csi1a. It is this one KD-M-1

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7544

I ordered a variety since I never soldered before I bought my solder station and it is cheaper to order when you are ordering other stuff.

The KD-M-1 that is included is a very fine tip, too fine for me.

I ordered a KD-M-B and a KD-M-1.6D chisel tip to try out.

The KD-M-1.6D I find to big for soldering fine components and I didn't really like the chisel tip. If you were wanting to try a chisel tip I would recommend the KD-M-1.2D or even the KD-M-0.8D.

The KD-M-B I find to be just the right size for me, not too fine, not to big and that is what I currently using.

[nuelemma]

Just upgraded my old-cheap radio shck iron to a Weller WES51 station, Ready to solder two SS24 Boards (as soon they arrive)!!!!! (by the way this is my first post :D)

[Jrd]

Welcome to DIYC nuelemma! You will not be disappointed by the Weller or the SS boards!

[Coach]

Glad I found this link, just save me a ton on a station. Got the 29.00 CSI unit with spare tips and the free multimeter. My Renard ss24's should be here by Monday and the station should be here right after that.

Thanks all!
-Harry

[kromedge]

I aquired this almost a year ago. Its a little pricey, but if you are doing any type of work involving tsops, bga's, plcc's etc it's a bargain, works great and one of the best investments I've ever made.

http://www.gqelectronicsllc.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4393

[Jrd]

I aquired this almost a year ago. Its a little pricey, but if you are doing any type of work involving tsops, bga's, plcc's etc it's a bargain, works great and one of the best investments I've ever made.

http://www.gqelectronicsllc.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4393

Wow, that looks really good! Is the hot air handle and hose assembly replaceable?

[kromedge]

Wow, that looks really good! Is the hot air handle and hose assembly replaceable?

I've got a part number and order address for all the parts including the hot air handle & hose so yes I would assume they are replaceable. The nice thing is this unit is made in the US and not China. I also like the fact that it is a diaphram pump and not a motor in the handle - I've tried a couple of units with a hot air motor in the handle and while they work ok, I find it a little too big and bulky which really hinders getting into some tight spots not to mention the vibration from the motor that tends to leave the fingers a little numb after prolonged use.

[Jrd]

I've got a part number and order address for all the parts including the hot air handle & hose so yes I would assume they are replaceable. The nice thing is this unit is made in the US and not China. I also like the fact that it is a diaphram pump and not a motor in the handle - I've tried a couple of units with a hot air motor in the handle and while they work ok, I find it a little too big and bulky which really hinders getting into some tight spots not to mention the vibration from the motor that tends to leave the fingers a little numb after prolonged use.

Sounds great. I asked because I couldn't tell if the hot air assembly could be removed or not.

[imbluenote]

I have a weller wp25...would this work? I'll buy a station if I need to but I'd rather use the money for boards/lights...etc.
http://www.apexhandtools.com/brands/CF_Files/model_detail.cfm?upc=037103593597

[g2ktcf]

The pencil type won't really cut it.....

[dirknerkle]

Spending the money on a quality soldering iron can pay off many, many times down the road in terms of making excellent solder joints that won't come loose. It's a piece of equipment that's vital to the success of your system.

[WireWrap]

...
It's a piece of equipment that's vital to the success of your system.

And your SANITY (should you have any left)...