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MrSmoofy
08-26-2016, 03:50 PM
Since I've not done either yet but will eventually what I've not seen talked about is pro and cons of both when comparing them.

I know some of obvious things like P10 Panels are just connected together less of building things out with strips/grids and pixel nodes pushed into them.

What are some of the other advantages and disadvantages? I'm thinking one of them might be resolution and brightness

scott4864
08-26-2016, 04:28 PM
I have two pixel node matrix tune to signs. They are 16 pixels tall by 70 pixels wide on 1" centers. I made it several years ago before I knew about P10s. I would build it out of P10s if I was doing it again. The p10s are a much higher resolution. The only positive that I can think of with pixel nodes is that it doesn't look as much like a commercial sign as P10s do. Either one is going to be very bright. I'm sure P10s are brighter than pixels nodes but I have to turn down the brightness on my pixel node sign already.

This is a picture of the sign before I added the pixel nodes. You could get a lot of P10 panels in the same space as this.

didjareally
08-26-2016, 04:31 PM
I think it would depend on what you want to do with the prop, if you are looking to do videos and high res items then p10s all the way. If you are just looking to do various effects and some text then you can get away with a pixel matrix. I'll have one of each in my display, a 34w X 30h pixel matrix at 2" spacing and a 4h X 3w p10 matrix.

EmmienLightFan
08-26-2016, 04:34 PM
P10s get you more pixels for your money.

A 5v WS2811 node, which is probably the most cost effective for a matrix, is about $0.18-$0.20
Each P10 panel is 512 RGB LEDs (32*16) and each panel is about $11. That is $0.0214 per pixel.
With nodes, the shape of your matrix is only limited by your imagination. It could be a circle, a triangle, or anything you want. I have even seen a display with a giant film character displaying movie clips.

Nodes are waterproof on their own. P10s are not, so they need an enclosure to surround them.

P10s have less power draw per LED, but are dimmer, however the LEDs are extremely close and this compensates the dimmer LEDs.

With nodes, the LEDs can be further away, with P10s they are at a fixed pitch (10mm. That is what the 10 in P10 stands for. You can guess the P now). If the matrix will be viewed from far back, or you want more physical size without more pixels, nodes may be better. With P10s, the amount of pixels (And the price) correlates directly with size. If you want high resolution, it has to be big, for low resolution it has to be small. Low resolution but small size = P10s. High resolution large size = P10s. Low resolution Large size = Nodes.

scott4864
08-26-2016, 04:40 PM
I think it would depend on what you want to do with the prop, if you are looking to do videos and high res items then p10s all the way. If you are just looking to do various effects and some text then you can get away with a pixel matrix. I'll have one of each in my display, a 34w X 30h pixel matrix at 2" spacing and a 4h X 3w p10 matrix.

I wholeheartedly agree. I guess I was primarily thinking about a "tune to" sign. If I had made my sign out of P10s I would still have other large matrices out of pixel nodes in my display.

brianweb
08-26-2016, 05:04 PM
Here is a video I found months ago that convinced me to order extra P10s to make a tune to sign in addition to my 5x5 P10 matrix I plan on putting ony house:

https://youtu.be/ETphAY9QHxs

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lightsonmontague
08-26-2016, 06:40 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160826/df85736a1e920f29f7659323f4a20603.jpghttps://vimeo.com/180370986

Here's mine so you can compare. 5hx4 p10 and 20x30 pixel
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160826/9a6ba92c9dd743b3605ec94da6be9219.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160826/bfcb7a34f3f970d3fb9cb51efd3d2b40.jpg
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Rob Baldwin 12
08-27-2016, 05:52 PM
p10's can be less expensive per square foot as well... depending on the pixel density and open controllers available... if you want a small say 2 foot by 2 foot sign pixels on 1 inch center would be about 6 strings (15x20) so 300 pixels... 6 strings x 15 is about 90 dollars... 2 foot by 2 foot p10 would be 2x4 grid (approximately) so 8x12 = 96 dollars the lights themselves are pretty close dollar wise, the issue comes in controller wise. If your doing a standard node grid you will need room on a controller for them... if you dont depending on the size of the grid your looking at up to 120ish for a controller (4 output board +shipping) where as the p10 its a pi 3 (35 dollars) sd card (5 dollars) usb stick (5 dollars) and the matrix adapter (12 dollars), the pi can drive up to 36 panels, if you want bigger then its the beaglebone (58 dollars) sd card (5 dollars) wifi dongle (15 dollars) octoscroller (18 dollars). The beagle bone can handle up to 64 panels... granted you will need to get some extended ribbon cables and such but you also need wires and such for the pixels.

The biggest thing is the panels need to be protected front and back (plexiglass/glass front and plywood back) so the case is more expensive for the p10.

Personal choice in my opinion, though the p10 does offer some sharp looking text and high enough pixel densities to do graphics and even video.

lightsonmontague
08-27-2016, 06:02 PM
Also one of the reasons I did p10's. With the pixel matrix it's not easy to make images look good or even recognizable without editing every one. With p10 because of the density you can just about Google search any image and drop in your sequencer and in most cases it looks good. So for me the extra cost is worth the huge time savings.


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kartingted
08-28-2016, 02:31 PM
you can get outdoor rayed P10 panels which has a cover over every led, but be careful as the are not currently supported by any controller
they are 1/4 scan rate and not the 1/8 that the indoor panels are.
I am hoping to get my two outdoor panels to work with a Pi or ardunio but need to get this years build finished first

Rob Baldwin 12
08-28-2016, 11:12 PM
does the pi matrix board support them?
it thought it does ... i know the octo wont

kartingted
08-29-2016, 12:57 AM
No they support 1/8 and 1/16 panels not the 1/4 yet