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Kev7274
12-20-2015, 05:24 PM
Going to do some P10s next year,but I want to see what you guys have done.
Will be used for a tune to sign and maybe a cartoon video.

frederic
12-21-2015, 11:46 PM
What are you going to use to drive it? Stand alone controller or data from Vixen/Xlights/etc?

Lowepg
12-22-2015, 01:22 AM
https://youtu.be/ETphAY9QHxs

brianweb
12-22-2015, 07:24 AM
https://youtu.be/ETphAY9QHxs

This is exactly what I am looking to do for a tune to sign. How many panels and in what configuration, software etc?

I am hoping to do this as well as a larger matrix in a window, maybe 5x5 but am still trying to wrap my head around BBB/octoscroller etc etc.

Kev7274
12-22-2015, 12:50 PM
I've got a BBB and use V3,so haven't decided.


What are you going to use to drive it? Stand alone controller or data from Vixen/Xlights/etc?

chadowamsley
12-22-2015, 01:13 PM
How many panels is in the video? Was planning a small tune to sign and the one in the video looks the perfect size.

Kev7274
12-22-2015, 01:18 PM
What are you using? BBB and Octoscroller?


https://youtu.be/ETphAY9QHxs

Kev7274
12-22-2015, 01:29 PM
I'm going to guess 12 panels?

burtonmadness
12-22-2015, 01:40 PM
https://youtu.be/ETphAY9QHxs

How many panels wide and high is this?

CaptainMurdoch
12-22-2015, 03:52 PM
I am going to guess 2 wide by 3 high. It looks like it is 64 pixels wide by 48 high. The 32x16 panels are 320mm by 160mm so a little over 12" wide and 6" tall which would make this display 24" by 18".

Lowepg
12-22-2015, 04:00 PM
I am going to guess 2 wide by 3 high. It looks like it is 64 pixels wide by 48 high. The 32x16 panels are 320mm by 160mm so a little over 12" wide and 6" tall which would make this display 24" by 18".

Yup, nailed it! ;-)


6 panels from Ray wu ($12ea)
1 BBB
1 octoscroller
1 5v PS
1 awesome copy of FPP
P10 panel connectors from boscoyo
A couple pieces of pine board
A sheet of plexiglass

And done!

burtonmadness
12-23-2015, 01:07 AM
I'm thinking of two matrices, one a larger 4x3 for animated gifs/videos and a smaller 3x2 for a tune-to sign.

I already have a BB, but will look to use a Pi for the smaller matrix.

I plan to buy 20x P10 panels from Ray Wu soon (2 spares)

dpitts
12-23-2015, 01:42 AM
The BeagleBone Green is almost as cheap as PI. I would just use a BBB or BBG for both. Not sure PI will drive the 3x2 that well.

burtonmadness
12-23-2015, 02:35 AM
Sounds like a plan.. ;-)

Just need to find some cost effective BBB and BBG cases that can be screwed vertically...

AuburnLights
12-23-2015, 10:51 AM
Sounds like a plan.. ;-)

Just need to find some cost effective BBB and BBG cases that can be screwed vertically...

If you find a good case design you like on thingiverse or some other site with 3D printer files and I can print one up for you. I still need to learn Fusion 360 or I would design one myself.

JasonPortwood
12-23-2015, 11:20 AM
So just a BBB and the other parts to build a nice sized matrix for a shows tune to sign? Plus as a bonus I can move my VAST FMT212R over to it and lose the Pi problems with the robot USB audio. If that's the case then I see a BBB or a BBG in my future.

Is there a write up on this somewhere that would point me in the right direction. I'm also curious about how it handles null pixels?

Thanks!

Jason

dpitts
12-23-2015, 04:31 PM
I'm also curious about how it handles null pixels?

Jason

Since it is a matrix controller null pixels really do not come in to play. Null pixels are used to extend the data signal to first pixels when using single pixels or strip lighting.

The BBB and Octoscroller is controlling panels that are real close. In fact the panels need to be within a few feet as you use ribbon cables from Octoscroller to connect the panels. I have heard of some going with 5 foot cables but I would try to keep them as short as possible. The BBB and Octoscroller are usually mounted inside the case that is made for the matrix.

Kev7274
12-27-2015, 07:29 PM
How many are you using?
I want to make one more in the 16:9 ratio than 14:3. Looks like 8 panels?



Since it is a matrix controller null pixels really do not come in to play. Null pixels are used to extend the data signal to first pixels when using single pixels or strip lighting.

The BBB and Octoscroller is controlling panels that are real close. In fact the panels need to be within a few feet as you use ribbon cables from Octoscroller to connect the panels. I have heard of some going with 5 foot cables but I would try to keep them as short as possible. The BBB and Octoscroller are usually mounted inside the case that is made for the matrix.

dpitts
12-27-2015, 10:17 PM
Yes. 4x2.

rklarman
12-29-2015, 04:05 PM
What are you using for a cabinet? Or are you mounting directly to plywood and placing the BBB and power supply in an enclosure?

dirknerkle
12-29-2015, 04:19 PM
Being that there isn't a lot of documentation all in one place that explains how to put one of these together, maybe this will be of use to folks that are fiddling around with the idea of a matrix display:

http://www.diychristmas.org/wiki/index.php?title=Building_an_Octoscroller_Matrix_Di splay

rklarman
12-29-2015, 04:21 PM
Being that there isn't a lot of documentation all in one place that explains how to put one of these together, maybe this will be of use to folks that are fiddling around with the idea of a matrix display:

http://www.diychristmas.org/wiki/index.php?title=Building_an_Octoscroller_Matrix_Di splay

Thank you! When might you have more octoscroller kits available?

PS: When visiting diychristmas.org and clicking Store on the left nav, I get "SSL connection error. ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR"

dirknerkle
12-29-2015, 04:29 PM
I think the Renard-Plus store has Octoscroller PCBs but I don't think they'll have kits. The parts for the octoscroller daughter card are quite minimal and cost only a few bucks.

Parts - ordered from DigiKey:

Qty 1 296-8503-5-ND manufacturer SN74LVC245AN - IC Chip
Qty 8 S9171-ND manufacturer SBH11-PBPC-D08-ST-BK - 16 IC Socket
Qty 2 S2011EC-23-ND manufacturer PRPC023DAAN-RC - 46 Pin header pins

Thanks for the heads-up on the link to the store... we moved everything to a new host and the SSL certificate isn't hooked up yet...

Cjaqua
12-29-2015, 04:40 PM
Being that there isn't a lot of documentation all in one place that explains how to put one of these together, maybe this will be of use to folks that are fiddling around with the idea of a matrix display:

http://www.diychristmas.org/wiki/index.php?title=Building_an_Octoscroller_Matrix_Di splay

That will definitely be helpful. Thanks for putting that together as I just about have all the parts to start assembling a p10 matrix. I spent the last few days searching falconchristmas.com to try to locate the information you posted. Nice job on the write up as it reads very clear to me.

dpitts
12-29-2015, 05:06 PM
Being that there isn't a lot of documentation all in one place that explains how to put one of these together, maybe this will be of use to folks that are fiddling around with the idea of a matrix display:

http://www.diychristmas.org/wiki/index.php?title=Building_an_Octoscroller_Matrix_Di splay

Very nicely done. Do you mind if we link to your page from the Falcon wiki as another source of information?

rstehle
12-29-2015, 05:55 PM
I think the Renard-Plus store has Octoscroller PCBs but I don't think they'll have kits. The parts for the octoscroller daughter card are quite minimal and cost only a few bucks.

Parts - ordered from DigiKey:

Qty 1 296-8503-5-ND manufacturer SN74LVC245AN - IC Chip
Qty 8 S9171-ND manufacturer SBH11-PBPC-D08-ST-BK - 16 IC Socket
Qty 2 S2011EC-23-ND manufacturer PRPC023DAAN-RC - 46 Pin header pins

Thanks for the heads-up on the link to the store... we moved everything to a new host and the SSL certificate isn't hooked up yet...

Dirk, in the pic that is displayed with the Octo build instructions it shows a DC Power connector and a Jack. Might you have the item numbers for those?

dirknerkle
12-29-2015, 11:05 PM
Randy, those are part of the BeagleBone computer.

dirknerkle
12-29-2015, 11:10 PM
Very nicely done. Do you mind if we link to your page from the Falcon wiki as another source of information?

You're certainly welcome to, of course, David!

CaptainMurdoch
12-30-2015, 02:56 AM
Very good writeup, thanks Dirk.

Stormyblade
12-31-2015, 06:41 PM
I think the Renard-Plus store has Octoscroller PCBs but I don't think they'll have kits. The parts for the octoscroller daughter card are quite minimal and cost only a few bucks.

Parts - ordered from DigiKey:

Qty 1 296-8503-5-ND manufacturer SN74LVC245AN - IC Chip
Qty 8 S9171-ND manufacturer SBH11-PBPC-D08-ST-BK - 16 IC Socket
Qty 2 S2011EC-23-ND manufacturer PRPC023DAAN-RC - 46 Pin header pins

Thanks for the heads-up on the link to the store... we moved everything to a new host and the SSL certificate isn't hooked up yet...

I looked on their store and didn't see them listed. So, my question: is the only way to get these Octoscroller boards is to order a bare board from Oshpark.com? Which version are we supposed to order, v1.3 or v2? Also, you can only order in sets of 3, for a total of $30.50 -- what if you just want 1 board?

dirknerkle
12-31-2015, 06:52 PM
I looked on their store and didn't see them listed. So, my question: is the only way to get these Octoscroller boards is to order a bare board from Oshpark.com? Which version are we supposed to order, v1.3 or v2? Also, you can only order in sets of 3, for a total of $30.50 -- what if you just want 1 board?

Order 3 and sell the other two.

Lowepg
12-31-2015, 07:04 PM
If you a post a message on falconchristmas, there's a guy that has several he's selling- I just got 2 from him last week.

Also, you can go here and order them as well.
http://pixelsequencing.mysimplestore.com/t/p10-panels-and-accessories

Don't forget to get extra data cables!

angus40
12-31-2015, 07:05 PM
Or you can try here >

http://www.hansonelectronics.com.au/product/octoscrolla_with-rtc/

Lowepg
12-31-2015, 07:09 PM
Or you can try here >

http://www.hansonelectronics.com.au/product/octoscrolla_with-rtc/

"Octascrolla"?

Clone?

angus40
12-31-2015, 07:14 PM
"Octascrolla"?

Clone?

This is an improved version of the octoscroller. It has space on the board for either a 5mm screw terminal or the 0.1″ push terminal for powering the BBB. The original octoscroller had just the 0.1″ terminal. The 5mm terminal is supplied fitted. Connecting the same 5V power that runs the P10 boards to the 5V connector means that no separate adaptor is required to power the BBB. In addition to that change there is also a minor layout change from the original octoscroller allowing the connector numbers on the pcb overlay to be seen and also a real time clock (RTC) to be added so that the BBB can run scheduled shows without needing to be connected to the internet to get the time.

Stormyblade
12-31-2015, 07:27 PM
Order 3 and sell the other two.


If you a post a message on falconchristmas, there's a guy that has several he's selling- I just got 2 from him last week.

Also, you can go here and order them as well.
http://pixelsequencing.mysimplestore.com/t/p10-panels-and-accessories

Don't forget to get extra data cables!

Very good suggestions - thank you.

Kev7274
01-08-2016, 10:49 AM
David,
Have you tried video on your 4x2 setup? Was wondering if the video would get cut off.

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DrNeutron
01-08-2016, 12:39 PM
David,
Have you tried video on your 4x2 setup? Was wondering if the video would get cut off.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

There will be no cutoff if you convert the video and resize to your matrix before playing it in xlights (unless of course source has bars on top/bottom).
Here is a quick video of how to do that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps4nT6y61v8
Works great and I did that with my measly 3X2 P10 matrix and came out great from a distance (resolution was 32H X 96W). Unfortunately, the video I took was too close and cannot see how it came it or I would have posted it.

Kev7274
01-08-2016, 02:02 PM
There will be no cutoff if you convert the video and resize to your matrix before playing it in xlights (unless of course source has bars on top/bottom).
Here is a quick video of how to do that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps4nT6y61v8
Works great and I did that with my measly 3X2 P10 matrix and came out great from a distance (resolution was 32H X 96W). Unfortunately, the video I took was too close and cannot see how it came it or I would have posted it.

A 4x2 should do a good job then?

DrNeutron
01-08-2016, 02:14 PM
The one thing I learned from my P10 matrix build is that distance from the matrix is the key....
I 1st did a video of Christmas Vacation intro and displayed it on my matrix and watched it from 12' or 15' away and thought it was pretty ugly. I played and played with settings to try and get the best picture possible and then it dawned on me......visitors are going to be looking at this from 50' or more away...I took it outside and played it and it looked great from that distance.
I will say this, no matter how big you make the matrix you will always want bigger! :-)
If I was doing it over, I would definitely go 3W X 4H. Remember the panels are 16pixels H X 32pixels W, so 3W X 4H is 96pixels X 64pixels which is pretty close to a 16:10 display.
I think someone on the AUS forums may have built one that big, in fact I think Gilrock or Smeighan may have built one to those dimensions.

Chris A
01-08-2016, 02:43 PM
The one thing I learned from my P10 matrix build is that distance from the matrix is the key....
I 1st did a video of Christmas Vacation intro and displayed it on my matrix and watched it from 12' or 15' away and thought it was pretty ugly. I played and played with settings to try and get the best picture possible and then it dawned on me......visitors are going to be looking at this from 50' or more away...I took it outside and played it and it looked great from that distance.
I will say this, no matter how big you make the matrix you will always want bigger! :-)
If I was doing it over, I would definitely go 3W X 4H. Remember the panels are 16pixels H X 32pixels W, so 3W X 4H is 96pixels X 64pixels which is pretty close to a 16:10 display.
I think someone on the AUS forums may have built one that big, in fact I think Gilrock or Smeighan may have built one to those dimensions.

How would a 5'W X 3'H look?

mharnish
01-08-2016, 02:55 PM
Now I have to go buy a P10 matrix...THANKS GUYS!!! :P

I have been kicking around the idea and the Tune To sign looks like an awesome way to start. My question is how to run it. I saw in another post where Jon C. commented Vixen 3 wasn't really able to keep up with what the panels need to drive them. I use Vixen 3 for all of my sequencing so that would be a problem for me.

I see people mentioning xlights, would I just sequence the P10's in xlights and use Vixen 3 for my other lights?

If I do everything in Vixen 3 and then the P10's in xlights how would I handle that in FPP? Would I have 2 instances of FPP with one on my Pi2 and the other running on the BBB and not in a Master/Slave config?

It would be cool to have the song title scrolling while it is playing but that would require some kind of synchronization between the Pi and BBB. How could I accomplish this?

Thanks guys!

Kev7274
01-08-2016, 03:32 PM
I got 12 panels coming, so I'll try the 3x4.
16x9 is what I was trying to get.

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Kev7274
01-09-2016, 09:01 PM
Thanks for the info guys. Got one more question.....How is power connected to the Octoscroller? Solder? or can I use the pugs that are used on various other things,the E682 for example. If so,which one do I need to get? Thanks

dirknerkle
01-10-2016, 04:54 PM
Octoscroller plugs into the BeagleBone. The panels are powered individually.

Kev7274
01-10-2016, 07:13 PM
I was planning on using power from the 5v supply that powers the panels to power the octoscroller. The octoscroller has solder points,but I was thinking of using a 2 pole connector. Something like this for power input....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-2-Poles-2-Pin-2-54mm-0-1-PCB-Universal-Screw-Terminal-Block-Connector-G01-/171091014958?hash=item27d5d1b52e:g:OJEAAOxyyrRR9~n 7

mrGrumpy
01-29-2016, 05:31 PM
I looked on their store and didn't see them listed. So, my question: is the only way to get these Octoscroller boards is to order a bare board from Oshpark.com? Which version are we supposed to order, v1.3 or v2? Also, you can only order in sets of 3, for a total of $30.50 -- what if you just want 1 board?
Octoscroller Get Here $5.50 shipped bare board
http://renard-shop.com/home/36-octoscroller-cape.html

BOM Originally Posted by dirknerkle
Qty 1 296-8503-5-ND manufacturer SN74LVC245AN - IC Chip
Qty 8 S9171-ND manufacturer SBH11-PBPC-D08-ST-BK - 16 IC Socket
Qty 2 S2011EC-23-ND manufacturer PRPC023DAAN-RC - 46 Pin header pins

OctoScroller Kit from http://digwdf.com/store

mrGrumpy
01-29-2016, 07:16 PM
Anybody know the cables lengths needed to connect a 3H X 2W P10 Matrix to the Octoscroller. I guessing 1 per panes. Not sure where the BBB mounts. Assume connect to P10 is left port.

beeiilll
01-29-2016, 08:09 PM
"Octascrolla"?

Clone?

I bought one from Hanson Electronics. I bought one with the RTC on it. It works fine with Beaglebone Black so far. I don't have any P10 panels yet though so I can't test it totally but he is a very reputable dealer to work with and a very nice guy from what emails and PM's I have had with him over on the Australian Christmas Lighting forum.

Kev7274
01-29-2016, 08:50 PM
i couldn't get the RTC to work with the Octoscroller.It wouldn't seat all the way down on the BBB.

didjareally
01-29-2016, 09:02 PM
i couldn't get the RTC to work with the Octoscroller.It wouldn't seat all the way down on the BBB.


Im guessing you didnt get your stuff through a pre-sale?

Kev7274
01-29-2016, 09:18 PM
Im guessing you didnt get your stuff through a pre-sale?

I got it from Falcon Christmas when they had some left over.

didjareally
01-29-2016, 09:39 PM
I got it from Falcon Christmas when they had some left over.

I see, bought mine from diyledexpress presale, so no playing around for me yet