Buy/Sell/Trade clarification

[rlilly]

I'm a bit confused as to what the rule is for buy, sell, trade.

Frank posted this in the Voiceover thread:


Either way, this thread was for the Demented Elf to post about his services, and he has posted in the correct and proper forum, abiding by the DIY forum rules.

Where Brian has posted this rule:


This forum is for the exchange of used or unused items related to Christmas displays. It is not intended for the "commercial sale" of control systems. Any advertisement or post about selling such items will be immediate cause for account deletion and banning.
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Thanks,
Brian, your friendly site Admin.

While I'm all for items, services, etc. that will enhance my display, it does appear on the face that the Demented Elf is advertising the commercial sale of his services.

Is the rule limited only to the commercial sale of control systems, and it is alright to offer commercial sale of other items/services?

EDIT: Found another rule in the board announcements:


In addition, it is the policy of DoItYourselfChristmas.com to not allow the direct sales of manufactured products on this site. Any member deemed to be doing so will be warned the 1st time and subsequent offenses will result in account termination. The decision of the site Admin(s) is final. An exception to this rule is if you are selling a used item in the buy/sell/trade forum. These sales will be limited and discretion will be used to determine if the sale is in violation of the site policies.
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Thanks,
Brian, your friendly site Admin.

Are voiceovers not manufactured products? (Just trying to understand the intent, nothing against voiceovers or any other product)

[Ronp]

Thats the way I understand it. It is for the commercial sale of controllers or services to assemble them for profit.
The demented elf is not listed under this rule

[omzig]

Are voiceovers not manufactured products?IMO they are a service and not a product. If you hire someone to paint your house, is the paint their product?...not really, it's the painting that is.

[mrpackethead]

<synicism>
So a "soldering and purchasing" service would'nt count either by that thinking..

You pay me some money to do some soldering and for purchasing your components.. I'll perform that 'service'..

Sigh.. theres always a loophole.. Thankfully this is not a law court...
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edit: just in case you did'nt detect the synical inflection..

[jeffathompson]

It seems clear to me that Dementedelf was selling his persona, which would be a clear violation of DIYC rules. Not only that. THIS IS DIYC. Watch how they get all over ANYBODY who offers to "build" a board for someone else. The DIY Police are all over. I don't see where this is any different.
I may start a thread on "How To" produce your own profesionally sounding soundtracks for your Vixen lightshow.

[RavingLunatic]

This discussion needs to end now (for the common good)

For those who forget the "Terms of Use" (or forum rules if you prefer) that you all agreed to, here is something that will refresh you memory:



Moderation - Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". If members note an issue which contravenes something in this policy document they are welcome to bring it to the attention of a member of the Moderator Team. Only do this if a moderator team member has not replied within 6 hours. Do not respond to such topics yourself. Members who constantly "act" as moderators may be warned.
The moderating, support and other teams reserve the right to edit or remove any post at any time. The determination of what is construed as indecent, vulgar, spam, etc. as noted in these points is up to Team Members and not users.



So in accordance with the "Terms of Use" this thread should not have ever been started. The original post/question should have been sent directly to the admin/moderators and gotten clarification that way.

It does not matter what individual members "believe" the rules to mean, it is up to the admin/moderators to provide the guidance. The rules of this community are not open for public debate everytime someone feels that they disagree with them (we are not the US Congress).

Now according to the above rule, I should be warned for acting like a moderator and I will take that warning like a grown-up and act accordingly.

[Macrosill]

Should anyone want clarification on anything feel free to ask me directly via PM.

According to www.dictionary.com the definition of "Manufactured" is ;
1. the making of goods or wares by manual labor or by machinery, esp. on a large scale: the manufacture of television sets.
2. the making or producing of anything; generation: the manufacture of body cells.
3. the thing or material manufactured; product: Plastic is an important manufacture.
–verb (used with object)
4. to make or produce by hand or machinery, esp. on a large scale.
5. to work up (material) into form for use: to manufacture cotton.
6. to invent fictitiously; fabricate; concoct: to manufacture an account of the incident.
7. to produce in a mechanical way without inspiration or originality: to manufacture a daily quota of poetry.

All 7 definitions relate to tangible items and/or fictional stories. Voiceovers are neither therefore they can not be considered "Manufactured".

[ErnieHorning]

... the manufacture of body cells.:shock: What?

[Macrosill]

:shock: What?

I didn't write it, only copied it. LOL

[mrpackethead]

:shock: What?

Is that Body Cell thing Vixen Controlled or what? I'd like to manufacture several extra sets of eyes, so i can keep an eye on several places at the same time.. At least an extra set of hands to help out around the place, one or two brains to replace the malfunctioning ones of some of the people i run into...

[piesrule58]

I could use some extra brain cells. LOL