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derekbackus
11-07-2014, 08:53 PM
I just finished my Micro Trees and thought i'd share. I designed these to so I could cut them flat and then bend them by hand after cutting.

Design goals:

- Easy to make/setup
- Cheap
- No zip-ties or measuring or electrical tape.
- Able to use pixels like a mega-tree so I could use Nutcracker and wipe effects in Vixen.

I came up with a bent (by hand) sheet metal tree that has 12mm holes. There are 7 colums of 7 rows for 49 pixels per tree. I'm using 12V pixels from DIYLedExpress because they have a great price, great service and are about the same price as China when you factor in shipping. The reason for 12V pixels is because I can hook multiple trees together in serices. I'm hoping I can get 16 on one E6804 controller. We'll see.

if anyone wants the CAD geometry, let me know and I can post a DXF/PDF of the flat that can be cut out of metal or plastic.

I've attached some pictures and a video:

Raw metal before being bent.
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25530&stc=1
Raw metal bent up by hand.
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25531&stc=1

Painted black.
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25532&stc=1

12V pixels inserted.
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25533&stc=1

Death-Ray cutting the blanks.

https://vimeo.com/111262664

Thanks for looking!

james70818
11-07-2014, 09:03 PM
Great minds think alike! :)
I like them, neat trick to do the stitch seam on the bends. I was toying with a similar design out of the ABS sheeting and doing a 20-24" tall 180 degree tree.

I see a ziptie!

derekbackus
11-07-2014, 09:22 PM
I see a ziptie!

Stop looking so close :)

I was feeling lazy. Maybe when the season is over I'll put a couple welds on it.

dmcole
11-07-2014, 11:25 PM
Two thoughts:


The same concept would work with Coroplast, no?

No offense, but I immediately thought of a Dalek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek) when I saw it. "Exterminate!" Not very Christmasy, sorry.

\dmc

duramadmax
11-07-2014, 11:36 PM
No offense, but I immediately thought of a Dalek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek) when I saw it. "Exterminate!" Not very Christmasy, sorry.

\dmc

I did too...

celtman123
11-08-2014, 03:02 AM
Just a whisk and a toilet plunger...


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plasmadrive
11-08-2014, 07:22 AM
Great job... how tall are they?

derekbackus
11-08-2014, 10:38 AM
Great job... how tall are they?

Thanks. About 13.5". Each leaf is 14", but at the angle shrinks a little.


Two thoughts:


The same concept would work with Coroplast, no?



Don't know. I would think Coroplast is too thick to push the 12mm pixels through. Certainly you could bend Coroplast up that way and mount the pixels on the outside. I've never worked with Coroplast so I'm not entirely sure what is and is not possible.


Two thoughts:





No offense, but I immediately thought of a Dalek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek) when I saw it. "Exterminate!" Not very Christmasy, sorry.



Awesome. I wish I could say that's what I was going for, but I've never seen a Dalek before I this pic.

james70818
11-08-2014, 10:51 AM
Two thoughts:


The same concept would work with Coroplast, no?


\dmc

You could do this with coro. I can set the machine to only cut the first layer. Similar to the way a coroclaw cuts only one layer. Just not limited to being in a groove like the claw. Also since I use a 1/8" bit you can keep the seam on the inside and the exterior stays smooth. I'll mock one up this weekend.

James

arw01
11-08-2014, 01:09 PM
Be interested in that James too, would you be able to produce them to sell?

james70818
11-09-2014, 12:01 AM
Ask and you shall receive! Not a bad little tree made of coro.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/JamesHohensee/60A106CD-55A3-44A9-8062-2D5B6AB32D22_zpsxyiyzane.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/JamesHohensee/E804AAC4-484F-4432-B5A0-4F6F8F97EFF1_zpsjjqe5j6m.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/JamesHohensee/91F8713C-CFB3-41F8-A44B-732D91401A5C_zpsxdey1iga.jpg

The trees are about 12" wide at the base and almost 14" tall with 70 pixel/node holes. I might add some small holes on the bottom so a metal stake can be used to hold them in place.
What do you think?

James

Livermore-Dad
11-09-2014, 12:06 AM
Ask and you shall receive! Not a bad little tree made of coro.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/JamesHohensee/60A106CD-55A3-44A9-8062-2D5B6AB32D22_zpsxyiyzane.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/JamesHohensee/E804AAC4-484F-4432-B5A0-4F6F8F97EFF1_zpsjjqe5j6m.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/JamesHohensee/91F8713C-CFB3-41F8-A44B-732D91401A5C_zpsxdey1iga.jpg

The trees are about 12" wide at the base and almost 14" tall with 70 pixel/node holes. I might add some small holes on the bottom so a metal stake can be used to hold them in place.
What do you think?

James

That's awesome James.

Here I can't cut a straight line in coro and in an afternoon you have some fancy trees!! :) What are your thoughts for completing it, something for the top?

Tory

james70818
11-09-2014, 12:18 AM
That's awesome James.

Here I can't cut a straight line in coro and in an afternoon you have some fancy trees!! :) What are your thoughts for completing it, something for the top?

Tory

Like a cute little star?

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/JamesHohensee/591F336E-1B42-40A0-A53A-B427D925A1DF_zpsswwyfalm.jpg

Livermore-Dad
11-09-2014, 01:30 AM
Like a cute little star?

Pictures snipped


Out of the ball park, that looks great!

Tory

derekbackus
11-09-2014, 08:46 AM
What do you think?

Awesome! Wish I would have thought about those holes for the zip-ties.

I'm filling up 49 holes to make an approximation of a 180 degree pixel tree. The holes in the back are for "future use".

I think made out of metal, they don't need stakes :) But made out of plastic, they are cheaper, lighter and faster to make. I had to stitch the metal on the bend lines, the plastic just needs a single pass with the router bit.

algerdes
11-09-2014, 09:08 AM
Just out of curiosity, could this be increased in size to about 24" tall?

james70818
11-09-2014, 09:18 AM
Just out of curiosity, could this be increased in size to about 24" tall?

I can get them to about 19.5" tall but I go from 8 per sheet to only 4 per sheet. That is adding 3 more rows of lights to make it an even 100 pixels.

James

algerdes
11-09-2014, 09:28 AM
19.5" would be just fine. If you ever come up with a cost, please let me (and others) know.

dmcole
11-09-2014, 10:43 PM
I might add some small holes on the bottom so a metal stake can be used to hold them in place.
What do you think?


That will make them perfect.

Thanks for taking the ball and running with it.

\dmc

mike2tall
11-09-2014, 10:55 PM
19.5" would be just fine. If you ever come up with a cost, please let me (and others) know.

Along with a price including the star. I'm interested in this for this if possible for this year and if it isn't I would still be interested for next year.

Thanks,

Mike

rfallatt
11-10-2014, 11:37 AM
I love it, Im interested in this too for next year.

james70818
11-10-2014, 11:49 AM
Since I have totally hijacked this thread, I'll need to start another soon in the Vendors area. I guess I'll need to at least name the tree after him, Derek's Dalek MiniTrees. Here is what I am thinking for price"

On the smaller ones (14"+/- tall with 70 mounting holes) they would need to be around $5.00.
For the larger ones (20"+/- tall with 100 mounting holes) they would need to be around $9.00.

Both would include the 8" star. I still need to tweak the star design and add mounting holes on it so that 2-4 pixels go through the star base and the minitree to hold it in place. I also need to add the anchor points to the mini trees.

Johnfish211
11-10-2014, 12:35 PM
Since I have totally hijacked this thread, I'll need to start another soon in the Vendors area. I guess I'll need to at least name the tree after him, Derek's Dalek MiniTrees. Here is what I am thinking for price"

On the smaller ones (14"+/- tall with 70 mounting holes) they would need to be around $5.00.
For the larger ones (20"+/- tall with 100 mounting holes) they would need to be around $9.00.

Both would include the 8" star. I still need to tweak the star design and add mounting holes on it so that 2-4 pixels go through the star base and the minitree to hold it in place. I also need to add the anchor points to the mini trees.

I would definitely be interested in this for next year!!

John

james70818
11-10-2014, 12:45 PM
Let me wrap up the design and we should be ready to ship by the middle of this week.

James

derekbackus
11-10-2014, 01:21 PM
Since I have totally hijacked this thread, I'll need to start another soon in the Vendors area. I guess I'll need to at least name the tree after him, Derek's Dalek MiniTrees. Here is what I am thinking for price"

Cool :)

I'll have to count my unused pixels. I may get a few of the larger ones.

Thanks for making these. I have almost zero interest in shipping things (I love to make things, just not ship them).

derekbackus
11-12-2014, 06:43 PM
Here's a video of the completed trees along with a bunch of other crap in my basement :)

Used an E6804 to drive 4 trees per output. 49 pixels per tree. 11.5 amps @ 12V. More current, I think, if I inject power at every tree.


https://vimeo.com/111685518

Tegbert
11-12-2014, 08:27 PM
Those look awesome! I want! Great job on those.

Travis

robertc
11-12-2014, 08:47 PM
I would definitely be in, for some of both.

chadowamsley
11-12-2014, 08:51 PM
Very nice looking trees. Would def be in for some of these for next year.

Helenaguy
11-12-2014, 09:15 PM
Those are awesome. Next year............got enough to get done this year!! :biggrin:

Skunberg
11-12-2014, 09:46 PM
James would 8 or 7 sections help the amount per sheet with the tall ones?

rfallatt
11-12-2014, 09:49 PM
Next year for me too... Definately


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ChristmasLover
11-12-2014, 10:48 PM
James let us know when they are ready to ship... I would want a few tooo!

imbluenote
11-12-2014, 11:03 PM
Not sure I would take any since next year is finally going to be a 8ft tree (already have James' strips for that) but just wanted to say how good these look and that sequence was awesome!

algerdes
11-12-2014, 11:34 PM
At what point will the quantity discounts kick in? :wow:

sparky588
11-13-2014, 12:01 AM
I would be in for a few to. They look awsome

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loveroflife96
11-13-2014, 01:18 AM
Let me wrap up the design and we should be ready to ship by the middle of this week.

James

So if I happened to be in the area on business next week, I could just stop by and pick them up?? LOL.

duramadmax
11-13-2014, 01:21 AM
I like the sequencing JUST as much as those trees...AWESOME

james70818
11-13-2014, 12:25 PM
I started an interest thread here: http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/showthread.php?35267-Derek-s-Dalek-Mini-tree-interest&p=347484#post347484

James

james70818
11-13-2014, 12:26 PM
So if I happened to be in the area on business next week, I could just stop by and pick them up?? LOL.

Be careful, I might put you to work!

But yes, you can visit my secret Laboratory!

derekbackus
11-13-2014, 03:08 PM
I like the sequencing JUST as much as those trees...AWESOME

Thank you! I'm resigned to the fact that I'm only going to have 2 songs this year because I change so much and can't use last year's sequences. That is the start of one of them.

duramadmax
11-13-2014, 03:10 PM
love to see the finished project..

CJ Morin
01-01-2015, 11:19 AM
I just finished my Micro Trees and thought i'd share. I designed these to so I could cut them flat and then bend them by hand after cutting.
if anyone wants the CAD geometry, let me know and I can post a DXF/PDF of the flat that can be cut out of metal or plastic.


You think you can post those files. I am more than likely going to buy them from James but would like to start working on a possible framing ideas.

Thanks