Frank's 24 Channel Renard Small Co-Op Opportunity UPDATED

[fkostyun]

The cost will be at $15/board, and the shipping cost will be $4.75 for up to three boards, four or more boards will be $9.00 (shipping to continental us, others please email or PM)

Payment can be sent via paypal to xxxxx (co-op closed)

The co-op order will be placed on September 15th, so the co-op will be considered closed on September 14th. The test board has been built and is working perfectly!!!!! Image has been updated to show the new board!

http://www.ahwatukeeholidays.com/2007/images/IMG_3021.JPG

OK folks, I have finally gotten everything together and done the last bit of testing on my renard board and it is good to go. I had several people ask me about a possible co-op, so I would like to see if anyone is interested. I do not have an estimated cost yet, but, I anticipate it to be near $15 per board. The final board will be black with white lettering!.

About the board
This is a 24 channel renard based PIC dimmer, with integrated SSRs.

What inputs will the board accept?
The board has been tested with both RS232 and RS485 communications. The board will also accept the output from another renard board. The pins that are used are the same as current designs that are out there, so the boards (should) interface with each other. The board will also pass power on pins 1/2, and input/output the zero cross on pin 3, maintaining compatibility with current boards

Why is this different?
The first reason for my design, is that I needed 72 channels for my mega tree, which ended up working out to three 24 port boards.
Once I began, I also wanted a completly self-sufficient board (similar to a LOR product.)

This design also features all triacs on the outside edge. This allows for easy heatsink installation.

The board features an onboard transformer, and voltage regulator to provide 5v for the boards operation.

If you wanted to run a 24 channel light show this year, you would need a PC with a serial port (USB adapters work too!) Vixen, a DB9-RJ45 adaptor, a cat 5 cable, and an assembled board/

Anything else?
One thing to note, is that this design uses surface mount optical isolators (the MOC3023S.) The reason for this, is last year I accidently purchased 200 of them, and needed to find a use for them. This has changed! It will now accept either the standard DIP optos, or surface mount[/u]

The surface mount optical isolators are not hard to solder on.

Reccommended current is a maximum of 15 amps per side, and 6 amps per channel. (This is based off the trace sizes)

This board has also been updated to support 120/240v operation for those folks that use 240v. With this, there have been 4 sets of jumpers added to the board for this support. There are two voltage selection jumpers, one transformer input section, and a zero cross output selection.

I am going to place an preliminary order first, with an order size of 10 boards. With this order, this will be to test the final changes that have been made to the board to verify that there are no problems or issues. MACROSILL and WJOHN will be testing this board also to verify assembly, and that no problems arrise.


BOM of materials is now attached!!

511-BTA08-400B 24
579-PIC16F688-I/P 3
571-7969494 1
595-SN75176BP 2
511-L7805CV 1
821-DB102G 1
571-2828376 4
271-680-RC 28
532-7136DG 1
271-180-RC 24
271-27K-RC 3
271-1K-RC 4
571-5564161 2
271-120-RC 1
859-MOC3023 24
625-1N4001-E3 1
78-1N5239B 3
838-3FD-320 1
782-H11AA1 1
520-TCF1843-X 1
140-HTRL25V1000-RC 1
140-HTRL25V10-RC 1
140-HTRL16V100-RC 1
534-3517 4
504-GMA-15 2


This does not include the use of up to three 5mm/3mm LED's that you can use of your choice. (as most people have them on hand at this point! - but - not required for operation)

If you have additional questions, please PM me and I will try to answer them!

[Macrosill]

Frank,
Count me in for atleast 2 boards.

[Josh]

hey, what is the expected price of parts for this board?
thanks

[teberle]

Frank,

I will probably get 1 of these boards.

[fkostyun]

hey, what is the expected price of parts for this board?
thanks

It will vary anywhere from about $35-40 to $60 depending on quanity of parts purchased, and from where.

The cost goes go up, since this board DOES have the SSR's built in.

[rjanuary]

Frank,

Count me in for 2

Thanks,
Richard

(Updated quantity)

[Jeff Millard]

Frank,
I know we've discussed it, but I just wanted to make it official here... put me down for 2.
jeff

EDIT: PayPal sent for $34.75... Thanks Frank.

[rjanuary]

Thought I would bump this thread and see if its still in the works.

[tconley]

Put me in for 3

[fkostyun]

Yes, it is still goign to happen. I'm looking at placing the order in about 21-28 days.

[rjanuary]

Thanks for the update Frank. :D

Richard

[BSummitt]

Put me down for 2 boards. Thanks!

[tex68]

i'd like to get 2 boards thanks

[biffklg]

how many of these can be chained together to make how many channels?

[alwysrit2]

Please put me down for 1
Thanks
-Don

[dvanteslaar]

Hi Frank,

Put me down for four (4) boards!

-- David

[fkostyun]

Sounds good! I just gave john a board to do some additional testing before I do the coop (make sure I didn't miss anything)

[wjohn]

And I can tell that it is a great looking board too! Specifically when three 24 Channel boards are connected to to a 72 channel MEGA tree Frank is planning this year.

I cant wait to get my board home and start on the construction. We have already talked about making the input power universal for 110/240 volt operation Frank was able to source a PCB mount transformer with 110/240 primary windings. Standby for an update early next week

[briant]

Put me down for 10

[tconley]

Hey are we going to do a parts coop for this as well??

[Rod_R]

I am in for 2 for sure maybe more when we find out the final price.

[fkostyun]

Few addition all updates made to the first post - changes are highlighted!

[tconley]

How is the testing going???

[jasonhuff]

i would like to order one if im not to late.
Thank you,
Jason

[usmcapc27]

can you put me down for 3 please

[Obliterous]

I'm interested in 2 boards, with all of the parts required to populate them, please contact me at shawn@busymarvin.net so that we can talk price and shipping...

[rjanuary]

Frank,

Was curious how the testing was going. Any new updates or when you think you'd be ready for a public test?

Thanks,
Richard

[Elmo2resc]

I would be intrested in 5 boards. Thanks, Jerome

[fkostyun]

OK folks!! The time has come to finalize the orders.

I will get a full parts list together tonight


The cost will be at $15/board, and the shipping cost will be $4.75 for up to three boards, four or more boards will be $9.00 (shipping to continental us, others please email or PM)

Payment can be sent via paypal to fkostyun AT cox.net

The co-op order will be placed on September 15th, so the co-op will be considered closed on September 14th.

[wjohn]

I'm in for 1,

Cheers, John.

[greenmeanie]

Can you only daisey chain 2 boards at a time?

[greenmeanie]

Darn right after I just received 5 grinch's and 20 ssr's with 60 left to come :( .



OK folks!! The time has come to finalize the orders.

I will get a full parts list together tonight


The cost will be at $15/board, and the shipping cost will be $4.75 for up to three boards, four or more boards will be $9.00 (shipping to continental us, others please email or PM)

Payment can be sent via paypal to fkostyun AT cox.net

The co-op order will be placed on September 15th, so the co-op will be considered closed on September 14th.

[Obliterous]

Okay, JUST to be clear (wife has questions...) ...

Is this a complete board (aka almost ready to run), kit, or just a bare pcb?

if bare board, is there a parts co-op set up?

[Macrosill]

Frank,
Up my order to 4 please.

[Wayne J]

Okay, JUST to be clear (wife has questions...) ...

Is this a complete board (aka almost ready to run), kit, or just a bare pcb?

if bare board, is there a parts co-op set up?

It is just a bare PCB. No, there is not a parts coop for this PCB.

[jasonhuff]

Okay, JUST to be clear (wife has questions...) ...

Is this a complete board (aka almost ready to run), kit, or just a bare pcb?

if bare board, is there a parts co-op set up?

Its a blank Pcb. Your looking at about $35-50 for parts with lots of assembly required. At this time i dont think there is a co-op but i would be willing to join/help one if it were to be organized.

[Obliterous]

Okay, JUST to be clear (wife has questions...) ...

Is this a complete board (aka almost ready to run), kit, or just a bare pcb?

if bare board, is there a parts co-op set up?

It is just a bare PCB. No, there is not a parts coop for this PCB.

Okay, so what does it take to get a co-op started for parts?
more than willing to buy into one, heck, according to my wife,I'm even willing to run one...

[Obliterous]

Okay, JUST to be clear (wife has questions...) ...

Is this a complete board (aka almost ready to run), kit, or just a bare pcb?

if bare board, is there a parts co-op set up?

Its a blank Pcb. Your looking at about $35-50 for parts with lots of assembly required. At this time i dont think there is a co-op but i would be willing to join/help one if it were to be organized.

assembly doesn't scare me. :-)

fkostyun, do you have a complete parts/suppliers list?

[Doug-in-the-woods]

Contemplating a Renard C but the distance from the pc to board is 6" then the 595 board next to it. All them cables through the wall?
What about PROGRAMED pic chips? Available?
Am assuming this board is connected just like a 595 using cat5 cable to the pc?

[greenmeanie]

Is frank around I have PM and emailed him with no replies?

[Ronp]

Yes he is. most nights he is in the chat room

[Obliterous]

Yes he is. most nights he is in the chat room

Color me dense/newb.... What chat room?

[Wayne J]

Yes he is. most nights he is in the chat room

Color me dense/newb.... What chat room?

The 'Flash Chat' links at the top of the page and the bottom also. Come on in and join in the coversations.

8)

[dvanteslaar]

Frank,

I wanted to purchase four of these boards ... is the COOP still going on? If so, could you please provide me with the information necessary for me to make payment via PayPal?

Also, could you point me to the Parts list and assembly instructions for the Ren24?

Thanks for your help!!!!

David Van Teslaar
Stockton, CA
d.vanteslaar@ieee.org :D

[fkostyun]

takes me a bit to get reply's out (darn hobbies) - I have updated the post with the BOM of materials. Deadline for payment is September 14th. All the payment info is in the first post!

[jasonhuff]

I checked the BOM at mouser.com the 782-H11AA1 are back ordered intill 10/16/07. Will something else work or where does every one get there parts from?

[dvanteslaar]

takes me a bit to get reply's out (darn hobbies) - I have updated the post with the BOM of materials. Deadline for payment is September 14th. All the payment info is in the first post!

Thanks for the information, Frank. I have decided to go with John's Renard 64 channel COOP (buying three boards). Please remove my request for four 24 channel boards (COOP).

David

PS - What does the acronym "BOM" stand for??

[lbro]

PS - What does the acronym "BOM" stand for??

Bill of Materials

[dvanteslaar]

PS - What does the acronym "BOM" stand for??

Bill of Materials

Ah-ha ... gotcha (duh David :oops: ) - Thanks!

[greenmeanie]

Just sent Paypal for 10 boards.
thanks.

[wjohn]

BOMb. a small weapon of mass destruction.

[Mudsculpter]

da BOM - slang term for really likeable person with comely features

[fkostyun]

Final update! 1 week left on the coop - order will go out promptly friday night at midnight est. Since there will be no changes from the test order, it will be considered a "repeat order" which should speed things up even more.

Goal is to have boards in everyones hands by october 1st.

[fkostyun]

Don't forget! The Co-Op ends tommorow!!!

[greenmeanie]

Can't wait :)

[Rod_R]

Frank,
Will you post a list of who has ordered and paid. I sent you a payment 3 weeks ago, but I have not heard or seen anything regarding my order being confirmed.
Thanks,
Brian

[michaelsdeer]

I just checked mouser.com for the price of the parts. The price was $57.22 plus shipping for one parts for one board.

[fkostyun]

Jeff M 2
Ricahrd J 2
Jason H 3
Jerome D 6
Shannon L 10
PC Friendly 2
Camron P 3
Shawn S 4
Elias K 3
Marjorie M 2
John W 4
Brian T 6
Michael D 3
Lou B 3
Tracy C 2
Pete 2

OK Folks - here is the final list of who I have recieved payments from and the number of boards ordered. I did this based off of payments recieved in paypal.

Any issues / problems - send me a message!

[greenmeanie]

My boards came in today :)

Now just got to get some money to build them up.

[Eli]

Hi Frank,

Got the boards and the PIC's today. Beautiful looking boards! Thank you so much for the work you've put into designing, producing and shipping the components. You've been very professional from the get go and quick in getting the orders placed and sent to the coop! I'll post some pictures of your parts in use, once I get everything built and setup. :D

[Rod_R]

I got my boards today. Now I am going to need more of them.
Brian

[rjanuary]

I just received my boards in as well, they look great!

Richard

[greenmeanie]

Now we need someone to make a really good how to on putting them together :)

[Jeff Millard]

Whoooooo Hoooooooo! These are great Frank!!!!
Thank you very much for sharing your boards with us. I can't wait to get these things assembled!:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Jeff

[odskaggs2]

Okay I didn't get mine yet and I'm jealous. How about nobody uses theirs till we all get them LOL.

[Jeff Millard]

Okay I didn't get mine yet and I'm jealous. How about nobody uses theirs till we all get them LOL.

LOL! A kind of "Blinky Flashy fair distribution pact!"
I like it! It's Christmassy...

Jeff

[fkostyun]

OK! I'm going to get the board scanned in - and as people PM me questions - I'm going to try to keep the wiki updated.

[Elmo2resc]

Received my boards friday, They look great...Thanks frank

[Eli]

Hi All,

Does anyone know what the wiring layout is for the DB9 (RS232) to RJ45 connector on this board? I've seen various adapters for DTE, DCE configurations. I'm just going to splice a cable with the appropriate connectors at each end, but I don't know what the pin assignments should be. Any help here would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Eli

[tconley]

refer to the theory of operation..

http://www.ritzfam.com/ChristmasMadness/Renardx16SSR/Release/16CPicDimmedSSR_Theory_of_Operation_Rev1.9.pdf

[Eli]

Hi Tconley,

Thanks for the info, sheds a lot of light on the subject (pun intended) :-)

[odskaggs2]

I'll be the last one to get my boards. I fell like that kid in gym class that never got picked for anything LOL

[greenmeanie]

Also need:
5 .1uF capacitors
4 3 pin headers
4 .100 shunts
3 LED's
3 14 pin DIP sockets
2 8 pin DIP sockets


It says you need 5 .1uF capacitors I only count 1? Do you really need 5?

[Eli]

Hi All,

Just wanted to say I've got two of Frank's boards running now and can finally start stringing up all the lights :-). If anyone has questions about the assembly or operation, I'd be more than happy to share my experiences with you.

Eli

[jasonhuff]

IV been working on my boards now for a while and I’m almost done. I just want to make sure I have everything right before I power up. How exactly do the jumpers settings work. I’m running my boards on 120v so does that mean need to jumper the left two pins? Also what’s the jumper for on the bottom of the board under the transformer?

Thanks Jason

[Eli]

Hi Jason,

You're right, for the 120 volt position, I put the jumpers on the left-most pins. I was able to see the jumper configuration on Frank's photo located here: http://christmasinshirley.com/wiki/index.php?title=24_Channel_Renard_with_SSR_Assembl y_Instructions

As for the jumper on the bottom, I'm not sure of its' purpose, but again, I followed the picture's setting for it.

[jasonhuff]

Ok thanks Eli for your help. I powered my board up today and the power Led came on but nothing else happened. Idk this be a good thing. I thinking I’m having trouble with my RS 232 to Cat 5 converter. Could someone please tell me the conversion pin layout in layman’s terms?

[greenmeanie]

Did you guys use all 28 #272-680-RC 680ohms resistors? I looked all night and can only find places for 27 of them?

[Macrosill]

I think I had 1 extra for each board.

[jasonhuff]

ok just a quick question. for the DB9 to rs232 converter, the only wires you need are DB9 pin 3 to RJ45 pin 4and DB9 pin 5 to RJ45 pin 5 right?

[greenmeanie]

I'm wondering how come you can't just go rj45 to rj45?


ok just a quick question. for the DB9 to rs232 converter, the only wires you need are DB9 pin 3 to RJ45 pin 4and DB9 pin 5 to RJ45 pin 5 right?

[Mudsculpter]

The signal that runs the controller comes from the 9-pin serial connector (DB9) on the back of your PC or mac (or from a USBtoDB9 cable),... the rj45s pinout is used to send those signals to the controller.

[greenmeanie]

Ok ordered what I needed to make this.
One usb to serial adapter, a female adapter to wire in the cat 5 cable to connect to the dongle. Then I can connect the other end of the cat5 to the renard 24. So on the serial side I grab pin 3-(transmit data) and pin 5-(GND). What pins do I use on the rj45?
Thanks




The signal that runs the controller comes from the 9-pin serial connector (DB9) on the back of your PC or mac (or from a USBtoDB9 cable),... the rj45s pinout is used to send those signals to the controller.

[Mudsculpter]

Its in the Wiki

http://christmasinshirley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pinouts

[Macrosill]

http://christmasinshirley.com/wiki/index.php?title=24_Channel_Renard_with_SSR_Assembl y_Instructions

Read the Design Notes. Its in the next to last line.

[Mudsculpter]

What are the dimensions of the ren 24?

[greenmeanie]

WOW didn't even see that! I think I am losing it LOL
Thanks once again guys.


http://christmasinshirley.com/wiki/index.php?title=24_Channel_Renard_with_SSR_Assembl y_Instructions

Read the Design Notes. Its in the next to last line.

[fkostyun]

What are the dimensions of the ren 24?

The board is 7" x 5 1/4"

[Mudsculpter]

What are the dimensions of the ren 24?

The board is 7" x 5 1/4"

Thanks,... It should fit nicely in my existing network box.