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JaysonH

12-21-2007, 11:30 AM

Ok. I've had quite a few emails and/or PM's concerning doing another parts kit co-op.

We all know of the slight mess of this year, I'm definitely no exception to that. As with everything, we live and learn and I most certainly learned quite a bit from the last one I did (it's not everyday I sort out 90,000 parts -- dunno about you guys).

I'd really hate to see the offer for a "deeper discount" that was offered to me for "your next order" go to waste and frankly, I'm not one to allow things to keep me down. Not to mention the digital scale I had ordered for "the next co-op" which will make parts counting, well, non-existant since I wont have to count the "loose" parts but only once (to get the weight for a certain number of parts).

Without rehashing the previous parts kit co-op, which I'm hopeful in the end, everyone was able to get their displays up and running before Xmas (I'm seeing quite a few in the "Showing Off" forum) and the fact that $16k worth of parts got to people stands for something on my behalf.

There WILL be ordering minimums, depending on the parts kit this time around. The Triacs come packaged in 50's from the factory, the Opto's in packages of 65, etc. I haven't broke it all down to figure out the minimums and I wont, until I know the interest. This combined with the scale and other templates/tools I made for the previous co-op, will allow a faster -than before- distribution of the parts -AND- using a larger digital scale I also purchased, I'll be able to know the -exact- weight of the packages, thus will allow for cheaper shipping costs to all this time around as well. As I said, we live and learn.

The following are the parts kits I have in mind:

SSR Parts Kit (using the Sean Bowf design AND dimmable Opto's)

" " (who designed this anyway?) Renard64

Xmus' Renard16

Franks Renard24

Olsen 595 (though the demand will likely be lower than this years so this is iffy)

Lynx (if RJ feels it may benefit people for me to include the parts for the built modules he sells, its his call here folks)

If I'm out of touch of whats been going on and there is another latest and greatest kit out there, then let me know along with your interest in such a co-op.

I suppose some will think I'm a downright moron for doing this again, perhaps I am, though, I'm a moron with Christmas spirit -- thats all that matters right? <grin>

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Is this thread collecting "interest only" or the actual order thread.

This particular thread is only gauging interest, as I need to determine which kits to offer (ie. many want them and would be worth my time sorting) and which ones not to offer (lower interest levels thus not really worth the time/effort).

Price?

Prices will not be known in any type of real certainty until the end of January to the beginning of February.

When will parts be in?

I'd really rather not answer this question as it created we'll say, a situation, the last co-op. We're all at the mercy of the manufacturers, plain and simple. I could get one quoted date from the distributor, but in the end, it all lays upon the manufacturer. This is assuming of course all orders are not available immediately from the distributor. Though the liklihood that all parts will be immediately available from the distributor is simply, not realistic. I can only say this much.. 90,000 parts made their way out to last years (2007) participants, many lessons were learned by me and I'm confident my sorting/packaging method is more honed than it was for 2007's co-op. Though in the end, I am just a person, a single individual, not a business just someone willing to donate my time to sorting, repackaging and shipping in an effort to allow individuals to save money. Above and beyond that I will not make any type of promises, as I made the fatal mistake of doing for 2007's co-op. That said, my personal goal date for having parts out by is within 2 months maximum of receiving ALL parts. GOAL I said. Smile

Ok, when do you anticipate getting ALL the parts then?

If the order is placed in February, I hope to receive ALL the parts within 2 months. Hopefully it will be sooner, but going by last years (2007) co-op, yes, I believe I will (and would much rather) say 2 months. <grin>

So, that means your "goal" to have all parts shipped by is the end of June or beginning of July?

Yep, that is the "GOAL".

What if it is beyond that?

Thats the risk you take, plain and simple. I can only assure you I'll work my butt off to sort, repackage and ship everything as soon as possible. Since I am an individual providing a DONATION of my TIME (ie. dont think of it as a service that is earning profit and/or you are paying for), I have a job that may throw things my way, family to take care of, etc. Sure, I could make a business of this, though, I beleive it defeats the purpose or at the very least intent that I have to simply, HELP where I can. Not to mention, I'd have to get a business (occupational) license for this particular type of business, sales certificate (tax), federal employer identification number... etc. No thank you, because then I would have to charge YOU the "participant" as a -customer- to cover costs.

Can I assist you with sorting?

All offers to do so are welcome, appreciated and should PM me with such offers. This sorting process takes days, a ridiculous number of hours (depending upon size of the order of course) and is tedious to say the least. That said.

So how are we going to put in our participation for the co-op (its not an "order", as an "order" denotes I am a business, from here out it will be called a "participation")?

I have a webpage that will go live where you'll be able to plug in what you want, it will then present you with a page you should print out, sign and mail to me. Without this signed print out, your participation request will be null and void. On the server side, it will then computate how many parts are needed based upon individual's participation requests so that I know the running count, can present to the distributor and find out prices. This print out will not obligate you to a participation request mind. If you're new to this, you'll get the gist of it all soon enough I assure you.

What parts will be ordered from the distributor for each type of parts kits?

The BOM (aka parts list) of each parts "kit" will be listed before the end of January in my first post of this thread (unless it doesnt allow me to edit a post beyond a certain age), though, I will let everyone know now that the SSR parts kits will be fused only and will have ALL parts needed to fully populate it. Xmus parts kits will have ALL parts to full populate it, etc. If it's "optional" it will be included. This is the decision at this point and is subject to change, though once I do post the BOM (aka parts list) for each parts "kit", it will be final unless the author of the actual project for which the parts "kit" is designated changes the BOM and/or recommends a change.

What parts kits will be offered? Is it finalized?

I believe what parts kits I'll be offering has been finalized. I was going to offer only the Grinch since it is the cheaper method of offering an on/off controller, though, it seems the demand for the Olsen 595 is still strong, despite being more expensive albeit it does have LED's so that's probably
the reason for the demand.

[-] Renard64 - PCB Available from wjohn
[-] Renard24 (Frank's)
[-] Renard16 (Dave's/Xmus')
[-] FireGod's Field System
[-] Olsen 595 (Brian's)
[-] Grinch - PCB Available from wjohn
[-] 4 Channel SSR Fused - PCB Available from wjohn
[-] LEDTriks - PCB Available from wjohn
[-] Ren-T (Wayne's)
[-] Ren-C (I forget who designed this, very sorry, someone update me please)

I do not suspect I'll be removing any of the above, however, I may add onto it if there is a popular design out before the end of January.

Which FireGod System?

http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84

This'n... I'm following FG's FGII system closely, though for simplicity purposes (of the co-op that is) the above linked FG system is the one I've been referring to.

Will you program PIC's?

Yes, the PIC's will be programmed. A side note to this; I see individuals getting PIC's from PCB co-ops which is fine, get them how you can, albeit if we have all those needing PIC's with their parts kits (since the parts kits will include PIC's - I'm not going to offer some kits with and some without its just more work than necessary) then of course overall costs of such part will be lower.

Well seems you're trying to take "business" away from those offering PIC's with their PCB co-ops

Not at all, just pointing out facts, nothing more. As I'm sure anyone knows, the higher quantity of a particular part ordered, the lower the price bracket, especially when combined with an order of this magnitude. Having as many participants getting PIC's (or any other part for that matter) through this -parts- co-op is a plus for all of us. Besides, co-ops aren't a business, I'm not a business owner, I'm not making profit and there are no customers, only participants.

Will the price you quote be set in stone?

Impossible, until all have paid. Take last co-op for instance. We had a few that had to drop from the co-op, this affected prices slightly, though still affected the prices.

So when is payment due?

Before any order is placed with any distributor. Co-op organizers try to break even everytime they put together a co-op. We cannot possibly spend a great deal of money (eg. last co-op was $16k) out of pocket before participants "requests" (ie. what parts kits, pcb's, projects, etc.) are paid for by the participant. This "seals the deal" and doesn't allow for money to be spent by the co-op organizer out of pocket only to have someone cancel later.

So, once paid I cannot cancel?

Spelling it out plainly this time, no and all PayPal payments will be made via "Money Request" sent by me dully noting it is a co-op and there are no cancellations of the request.

Seems risky.. so why should I?

Because despite delays, etc. of last co-op (as noted on the top of this post) I shipped $16k worth of parts to participants out of $16k worth of parts ordered.

Ok, PayPal, I have that but anything specific about the account I need?

Yes, you need to be a US citizen with a US confirmed address and have a verified account. Those not in the US are to use Western Union Money Order only, there are no exceptions to this besides those that participated in 2007's co-op (who had to pay using a WU MO), they are now allowed to use PayPal as there was obviously trust built between me and them to put it bluntly. I welcome those not in the US, in fact, my Australian participants and Canadian participants of last years parts kit co-op are great individuals, so please do not take this as a prejudice issue.

So you will allow those not in the US to participate?

Most certainly, unless you do not agree to the above method of payment.

Anything else I need to know?

Just remember I'm not a business, I stressed this last time and I'm going to double stress it this time. I'll treat you like an individual who entrusted me with money, though I am not a business and you are not a customer. I do not have a secretary, accountant or even one employee helping with this. Just please, all I ask is that you keep this in mind throughout the entire process. Also, that we ALL (myself included) are at the mercy of the manufacturers in the end of it all, if its a certain part by a certain manufacturer (and only that manufacturer makes that part) we've got no choice but to wait.

Hmm thats scary knowing we could wait quite awhile for a part because of a manufacturer back log.

Indeed, it isn't the most comforting feeling in the world, just imagine how the person having accepted $16k in other peoples money feels. As I said, its a risk, though if the distributor doesn't have the quantity of parts that we need, I'll ask before any money is sent to them (as well as from the participants to me) just how long they suspect the wait will be. Needless-to-say I know this time to ensure that the distributor obtains this information straight from the manufacturer or at least demand they do so.

Where will updates be placed concerning this thread?

In this post, I'll update it as the need arises. This is just the interest thread, the actual co-op thread will be far more restricted (hopefully) and then this one will be closed. That's my preference anyway, though that lies in the hands of the moderators.

"i am sorry to see that you wont accept my money from a paypal certifide account from canada , wjohn as no problem with me, but it is your choice to make prejudice because if i am certifide u shouldn t do that!!!"

I am not wjohn, that is a risk he is willing to take though I am not, sorry. This was experienced in the last co-op, where an individual felt I was being "unfair" and "prejudice" not to accept PayPal from someone not inside the US (unless I have had dealings with them already) and I will simply point you to www.paypalsucks.com -- PayPal is not the easiest business to regain losses from, that combined with International laws, hold ups, etc. -Should- something happen, something undesireable, it's far easier to resolve when the person who sent a PayPal is from the US. Last years participants went have "been there and done that", it's just how I operate. Prime example of not being able to please everyone I suppose, sorry to those I cannot please.

What PCB's are available?

Projects that have PCB's available to participants to buy are available from wjohn.

Edited: Jan 14th, 2008 - To reflect changes in plans concerning PCB's

ben

12-21-2007, 11:41 AM

Well if you want to get in head deep do a Ledtricks COOP.
I would be interested (atleast i fI have the cash I need thsese for next season)

24 SSR's
1 GRINCH
1 LEDtricks
2 Ren-C's
7 Ren16's
1 Ren-T

Those are what I will be buying and putting together next year. SO if I can get some with the COOP to save a tad good. If not, I will still buy them.

Ben

JaysonH

12-21-2007, 11:48 AM

Proposed BOM's

Grinch:

571-5202514 18
538-22-03-2021 1
649-65474-002LF 1
538-70543-0001 1
538-50-57-9402 1
538-16-02-0102 2
581-sa105e104z 4
604-wp7104gc 1
660-cf1/4c471j 1
571-3902618 4
A6279EA-T-ND

Olsen:

538-22-03-2021 1
538-22-03-2031 8
649-65474-002LF 9
571-5202514 18
538-70543-0001 2
538-16-02-0102 4
74HCT595N 1
511-m74hc595 7
511-e-uln2803a 8
581-sa105e104z 8
538-50-57-9402 2
604-wp7104ec 1
660-cf1/4c471j 1
571-3902614 8
571-3902615 8
604-wp7104gc 64
652-4610x-1lf-470 8

Renard24 (may offer both spade or screw downs unsure as of yet):

571-7969494 1
595-SN75176BP 2
511-L7805CV 1
821-DB102G 1
532-7136DG 1
271-27K-RC 3
271-1K-RC 4
271-120-RC 1
625-1N4001-E3 1
78-1N5239B 3
838-3FD-320 1
782-H11AA1 1
520-TCF1843-X 1
140-HTRL25V1000-RC 1
140-HTRL25V10-RC 1
140-HTRL16V100-RC 1
534-3517 4
504-GMA-15 2
511-BTA08-400B 24
859-MOC3023 24
579-PIC16F688-I/P 3
604-WP63ID 2
604-WP1503GD 1
271-180-RC 24
271-680-RC 28
581-SA105E104MAR 5
571-41032390 1
571-3828115 4
571-1-390261-2 2
571-1-390261-3 3
571-5564161 2
571-2828376 8 (Screw Down)
534-1287 52 (Spade)

SSR

571-5202514 1
538-39890-0302 1
538-39890-0303 1
571-1-390261-1 4
511-BTA08-400B 4
859-MOC3023 4
660-CF1/4C181J 4
660-CF1/4C751J 5
441-R324-GR 1
504-GMC-5 1
604-WP7104IT 1

LEDtriks:

1 512-MM74HC4514N
4 511-ULN2074B
3 A6279EA-T-ND
10 571-5202514
4 571-3902614
4 581-SA105E104Z
4 571-3902618
1 538-10-89-7081
1 649-65474-002
1 538-50-57-9402
1 538-70543-0001
2 538-16-02-0102
1 604-WP7104EC
1 660-cf1/4C471J
3 660-CF1/4C102J

Ren-T (recommendation on a different transformer are welcomed):

1 595-UA78L05ACLPRE3
1 837-ISL81487EIP
1 595-SN75C189AN
1 140-XRL16V10-RC
1 140-XRL16V470-RC
4 625-1N5819-E3
1 604-WP7104IT
1 291-1K-RC
1 291-750-RC
2 538-22-03-2021
2 649-65474-002LF
1 152-3409
2 571-5520251-4
1 693-CMF1.1111.12
1 173-21114-E
1 571-3902613
1 571-3902612
1 41PG300

Ren-C:

1 815-AB-20-B2
2 581-SA102A220JAR
2 581-SA105E104MAR
1 140-XRL10V10-RC
5 604-WP7104IT or GT
1 595-SN65LBC179P
1 511-M74HC02
1 579-PIC16F627A-I/P
2 271-1K-RC
2 271-10K-RC
3 271-27K-RC
1 271-120-RC
1 652-4610X-2LF-470
1 78-1N5229B
1 78-1N5239B
4 571-5520251-4
1 512-2N3904TA
1 575-199318
1 575-199314
1 575-199308

Ren64-XC (not currently offered but might be by the time I'm ready to order):

2 299-1.5K-RC
1 660-MF1/4DCT52R1200F
3 299-27K-RC
2 299-1K-RC
1 299-330-RC
1 140-XRL10V6800-RC
8 80-C322C104K5R
1 647-UVR1C470MDD
4 625-1N5817-E3
1 78-1N5229B
1 78-1N5239B
1 604-WP7104GT
2 571-5202514
16 571-5556416-1
1 636-182-009-213R531
8 575-199314
1 538-22-03-2021
1 151-8000
2 534-4902
2 159-2215
1 511-L4940V5
2 511-ST485BN
1 782-H11AA1
8 579-PIC16F688-I/P
1 520-TCH1843-X
64 859-LTL-403G
8 652-4608X-1LF-680
8 299-680-RC

Ren64-XB ("current" final stage/tested board - current coop board available last year):

3 299-27K-RC
2 299-1K-RC
1 660-MF1/4DCT52R1200F
1 299-330-RC
8 80-C322C104K5R
1 647-UVR1C470MDD
1 78-1N5229B
1 78-1N5239B
1 604-WP7104GT
2 571-5202514
16 538-95003-2881
1 571-640454-2
8 575-199314
1 571-1032393
1 151-8000
1 538-70543-0002
1 538-50-57-9403
3 538-16-02-0103
2 511-ST485BN
8 579-PIC16F688-I/P
1 520-TCH1843-X
1 299-10K-RC
1 512-2N3904TFR
1 571-640454-2
1 782-H11AA1
2 299-1.5K-RC
64 859-LTL-403G
8 652-4608X-1LF-680
8 299-680-RC
1 625-1N5819-E3
1 511-L4940V5
1 140-XRL16V1000-RC

To the best of my knowledge these are correct and are full parts lists for each project. I intend to go through to see which substitutions can/will be made (similar to last years coop - nothing major).

Mrplow123

12-21-2007, 11:49 AM

ben

12-21-2007, 11:51 AM

2 LEDtricks
2 Ren-C's

Ahh yes, forgot about the Ren-T and Ren-C parts. I thought I read that a LEDtriks replacement would be out (something about adding a buffer to take some load off the PC).

Well, by the time you are ready to start commiting (jan? Feb? ) for kits they might have it worked out.

Ben

alwysrit2

12-21-2007, 11:53 AM

JaysonH

12-21-2007, 12:20 PM

I would be interested in in parts for 7 Renard16s and 2 Ren-C's.
If I am reading this right, you aren't planning on breaking open the packages from the suppliers? Is that right?

Have a good Holiday
-Don

No, its impossible not to, instead, I will be able to alleviate just how much work there is to do by having a certain number (or atleast multiple) of kits per person.

With the scale, its not so much the counting of the parts, but rather the cutting of the "tubes" in which they come in. Last co-op, I had to cut tubes for 4, 14, 16, 24, etc, etc. really sporadic number sets. Initially, I was using some very sharp scissors to cut the entire tube. It wasnt until more than half way in that I realized I could scribe a type of perforation into the tubes to create a clean straight break.

With the scissor "trick" I had to empty all the triacs (for instance) on my ESD mat (for those that dont know already, I have an ESD mat on my workbench with grounding wristband and an ESD mat that my chair is on) after making a mark on the tube of where to cut, because keeping them in the tube would hinder the cutting with scissors and I could cut into the part which was a no-go as well. So, it was a slower than necessary process in the beginning of it all. Lesson learned there too.

Now its just a matter of counting how many in the tube that is needed per kit, scribe/slice with the razor knife on both sides of the tube, then snap it, tape it up then done.

JaysonH

12-21-2007, 12:25 PM

I really didn't think you would venture down this path again, but I am glad you are willing to give it a go again. I am in if you do it. I have faith in you.

With that said, I would be in for 4 Ren-24's, 3 Ren-64's, 48 SSR kits, and if you were to do it, 1 maybe 2 Led tricks.

I hope this happens, it is hard to believe we would get an even lower price then last time.

Oh, I'll do it if there is enough interest. I appreciate the vote of confidence... to note for those new here, the last one was done, just not done at a record setting pace, to keep it simple.

LEDtricks shouldnt be a problem to do, I just have my doubts that Mouser will be able to touch the price of the Hong Kong dealer that most of us went to for this years display. I'll check into it though, perhaps I could get us save current spec but brighter LED's to boot.

Those oversea's and/or in Canada that participated in last years will be exempt from having to do the Money Order thing, as we've dealt before, plus I realize those too would like to maybe use a CC, impossible for a WU MO as we know. Those that I haven't dealt with overseas and/or Canadian, old rule will apply to you, WU for payment. Just to put that out there from the get go.

ben

12-21-2007, 01:00 PM

Jayson. Maybe to ease the load on you I could partially help with this COOP. I can start a thread poll for parts for the RenC, T Ren 16,24,64 the 595 and Led tricks. That way you know where the interest it. I have a feeling this thread will get nikda cluttered. That way you can have straight numbers.

Ben

Greg in Canby

12-21-2007, 01:15 PM

I looked up Christmas spirit in the dictionary . . . . . saw a picture of you.

I'm in for 32 SSR Parts Kits (using the Sean Bowf design AND dimmable Opto's), and parts to populate FireGod's boards (all but PICS, got those) if it becomes an option.

And lastly,

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Greg in Oregon

JaysonH

12-21-2007, 01:23 PM

NogginBoink

12-21-2007, 03:16 PM

Jayson, thanks for the offer!

Maybe you could find LEDs for LedTricks and sell 'em in 1K quantities as well?

tnorman

12-21-2007, 04:08 PM

I have two Ren64s, 32 SSRs, and 2 Ren-Ts on the way that I will need parts for so I am interested.

WakeFan

12-21-2007, 04:23 PM

6 Frank24
2 Ren64
0 xmus - edit removing this line
2 RenT ?

eschnell

12-21-2007, 04:43 PM

Depending on price, I would get 32 SSR's

petefats

12-21-2007, 11:43 PM

grinch x 2
ledtriks x 2
ssr x 16

JaysonH

12-22-2007, 04:08 PM

Interest isn't quite at the levels I had hoped so far. I've not gotten a response from fkostyun concerning whether or not he'd be ok with selling parts kits for his design (albeit not necessary I was hoping to know it was ok, or not).

Well see what happens. The suggestion was made (as it was the last time) to offer a co-op on just the more expensive parts, which at first would seem to make sense. However, if that is done, then individuals would have to buy the remaining parts, which means essentially double shipping. Also, the discount received on the last parts co-op was taking into consideration all the other parts there were ordered.

I will give that a shot though so we can see precisely how much a difference it would make (ie. excluding the cheaper/insignificant parts from those that are more expensive such as the triacs, optos, etc.)

P. Short

12-22-2007, 04:17 PM

Wait until after Christmas, maybe even into February. I think that there will be a lot more interest then.

--

Phil

ben

12-22-2007, 09:54 PM

Wait until after Christmas, maybe even into February. I think that there will be a lot more interest then.

--

Phil

I agree. I wcould spend a good $350 in parts but it will have to be In Feb or March,

Ben

daviddth

12-23-2007, 02:34 AM

I'd probably go 128 SSR's, maybe a few more, plus 2 Ledtriks as well. If you can get LED's then that would be interesting as I have yet to get the LED's for the 2 Ledtriks I am waiting on parts for now, but 2 more might be a great addition :)

Might even go an additional 64 dimmable SSR setups as I'm not sure how my current SSR design will handle dimming (I dont think it will)

Dave

JaysonH

12-23-2007, 03:29 AM

The RJ designed the Grinch after the order had been collected/placed this year (2007), the first parts co-op. I had actually forgotten about it, though it is smaller, less expensive and less complex (though neither it nor the Olsen are "complex" per se) than the Olsen 595. It does not have LED's though, incase this is a must for anyone, if you feel you could do without LED's and have previously stated interest in the Olsen 595, let me know and I'll not concern us with an Olsen parts kit.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SSR 312 (1248 Triacs/Optos)
Frank REN-24 10 (240 Triacs/Optos)
Xmus Ren16 19 (304 Triacs/Optos)

REN64 7
GRINCH 2
REN-C 4
REN-T 5

LEDtriks 7
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Interestingly enough, we're already at 19% the number of Triacs/Optos that were ordered in the last parts co-op (9,600 of both Triacs and Optos if I'm not mistaken) in just the first two pages.

Just to clarify now, last co-op I offered a fused and non-fused SSR. This time around, it will be only fused. I understand this may knock out a few interested parties, though, it's simply easier that way and it truly is safer to go with fused (for you, an innocent person that may get too close to your system that may be experiencing a problem and quite possibly for your SSR parts).

I've been approached concerning offering PCB's with the parts kits. I do not see why this could be done and would actually be very convenient. Of course you wouldn't be under obligation to buy a PCB with a parts kit.

Creg

12-23-2007, 10:17 AM

Wow, good for you Jayson! I would be interested in 4 LedTriks kits (PCB boards too if you are doing that). I am ok to wait until Feb\March as well.

ben

12-23-2007, 01:25 PM

Jayson what in the heck do you do for a living? You want to put a $20,000 order in for parts and then throw in some PCB's :shock:

cobraman44

12-23-2007, 03:18 PM

I would be interested in at least

Updated numbers

31 SSR
2 Olsen 595

Updated

Greg in Canby

12-23-2007, 03:43 PM

February or March (even April) will give me some time to heal the financial wounds from this year.

I'd be in for 16 Bowf SSR PCB's in addition to the 32 parts kits.

JaysonH

12-23-2007, 04:29 PM

Jayson what in the heck do you do for a living? You want to put a $20,000 order in for parts and then throw in some PCB's :shock:

Sr. Network Security with a side of php/ajax/mysql development. It's a co-op though, not me becomming a distributor (ie. parts are paid for in advance, etc.)

The PCB's are already available, I don't have them. However, I've got to say, I'm finding some serious interest in FireGods system, I particularly like the fact that some type of addressing is going on in the system and its bi-directional capable (albeit, last check nothing was being done with bi-direction, its still there for future implementation/uses). In short, I may make FG system PCB's available.

JaysonH

12-23-2007, 04:44 PM

The general consensus is, that Feb or even March would be ideal to all.

Lets compromise, lets set a date of Feb 15th in which to have orders in by and payment by March 1st. I'll give quotes on prices on Feb 15th, which will give everyone two weeks to decide whether or not to go through with their order and pay or, drop out.

That said, I encourage all interested to continue giving me a heads up as to your interest. In the meantime, I'll pick up where I left off (probably 20 hours away from being done) on the script which would actually collect everyones "official" order for when the time comes. To spread some insight, this script will collect, store and print out confirmation of what it is you want. On that print out will also be a disclaimer (ensuring you know DITY Xmas forum, owner and mods arent to be held responsible, etc.), with a signature line. It then will be mailed off to me. It will -not- be a contract holding you to your desired order, though if such disclaimer isn't signed your order will not be considered and/or placed.

jemerick

12-24-2007, 05:12 PM

I would be interested in the following at a minimum:

4 REN-C
2 REN-T

Thanks Jayson!

Jason

MrLights2000

12-24-2007, 06:43 PM

depending on price

ren-t 1
olsen 1
ren-c 2
renard24 3
ledtriks 1
ssr's 16

danny

barrynash17

12-24-2007, 08:14 PM

I think I'll be looking at
4 x renard 64 w/boards and parts

PajdaProductions

12-25-2007, 01:12 AM

Jayson, I'd like to help you out a bit here and I think I have an idea. I'll PM you with details in a minute.

Aurbo99

12-25-2007, 08:47 AM

Need to ask..

Is this for parts kit including everything needed to populate a board on your list?

Anyone know the price last year or projected savings to CO-OP the parts?

Need to know exactly what I'm getting into.. The wife has granted her blessings on getting "whatever" I needed to improve on the display next year.

I'm holding her to THAT statement.. lol..

ben

12-25-2007, 08:50 AM

RavingLunatic

12-25-2007, 11:51 AM

Aurbo99,

To get info from the previous coop, go to:
http://blinkyflashy.14.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=964&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

and it finishes here (I believe)
http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167

I know last year the SSR kits were at about a 40-50% savings (I'm sure Jayson has better numbers) compared to getting them on your own.

And Yes you should get all the parts needed to populate the board. Of course that is if Jayson has the right BOM to start with. :wink:

ben

12-25-2007, 11:55 AM

shocker

12-25-2007, 01:17 PM

i would be part of 1it if it is for xmus 16 ssr

1 ren 64
1 ren t
2 ren 16 xmus

16 ssroz

RickeyS

12-25-2007, 08:13 PM

New here, but if this is for the grinch (which sounds like the easiest and cheapest) I would be in for 2 grinch and 16 ssr's if they work with the grinch.

Thanks
Rick

RussSTman653

12-25-2007, 09:58 PM

I would be in for 8 ssrs, and if you have a grinch kit i would get that too.

AaronG

12-26-2007, 01:25 PM

Lets see I would be in for
2 ren64
2 rent
2 renc
32 srs
If we can do it in Feb.

rovingmind

12-26-2007, 01:42 PM

I would be in for 2 grinch kits and 14 ssr kits , but i'm a February also

fkostyun

12-26-2007, 02:20 PM

Jason, I had sent in a PM a little while ago - I'd be interested in pics/triacs/optos

scharbon

12-26-2007, 03:44 PM

RickyS said:

New here, but if this is for the grinch (which sounds like the easiest and cheapest) I would be in for 2 grinch and 16 ssr's if they work with the grinch.

Ricky, If you want two grinches up and operating for next year (2*64 = 128 Channels), you would need 32 SSR PCBs and kits. Each SSR handles 4 Channels (4*32 = 128 channels). And you are correct, the Grinch is the cheapest and easiest on/off controller. And the Coop PCBs do in fact work with the Grinch.

Steve

RickeyS

12-26-2007, 06:32 PM

Steve, thanks for correcting me, I would want 2 grinch and 32 ssr's.
Thanks again,
Rick

WakeFan

12-27-2007, 12:13 PM

Please remove the 8 ren16's from my request. I edited my first post.

CP1

12-27-2007, 12:57 PM

I would be interested in 2 maybe 3 parts kits for the REn16's. I have already put my interested in post for the coop for the boards, now I guess I need the parts. Could you also tell me more about the RenT? I guess I will need this to put the commands from the computer to the controller. I will be needing 1-2 of these and I didnt see them listed in the pricing for the last order.
thanks,
Chuck

Wayne J

12-27-2007, 02:12 PM

CP1

12-27-2007, 02:36 PM

ppohlman

12-27-2007, 02:48 PM

Is this thread for "interest only" or for actual orders? If it's interest, I'd be in forat most 2 x ren64, 32 x SSROZ, & 2 x Ren-t , but that would depend on the costs. Let me know the price and I'll let you know exactly what I would want.

Thanks,
ppohlman

**** EDIT ****
I am interested in 1 x Ren16 as well.

Wayne J

12-27-2007, 02:54 PM

Hi again Wayne, I have 100 ft of cat5 hooked into the system right now. I didnt need all of it but I bought it just in case I did. It already had the ends connected so I just left it on the roll and rolled out what I needed. So..... I am at 100 ft will I need it?
Chuck

You are right at the limit and it may or may not cause issues. If you feel you need that length of cable, a safe bet would be to use the Ren-T for the RS232/RS485 conversion, or shorten the cable and not use it.

ppohlman

12-27-2007, 03:12 PM

ben

12-27-2007, 03:18 PM

Jayson, I just noticed you are in Norfolk, VA. Do you ever come near Richmond? If so mayeb we can hook up sometime. If not maybe I can see if my dad wants to drive down and help out with sorting

Ben

Trip

12-27-2007, 10:49 PM

I would be interested to learn the cost for 2 ren64s, 1 ren t, and 32 SSRoz

CP1

12-27-2007, 11:40 PM

I need to change my request from 3 Ren 16's to 2 Ren24's please
Thanks,
Chuck

moorecomp

12-28-2007, 12:25 PM

Hello all,

Computer tech, but a newbie here. I would be interested in 1 Grinch and 8 SSR's. I figure I will not jump in with both feet till I get things working right. 32 out of 64 channels should be a good (challenging) start right? I would like dimmable too, should I just add-on a Ren-C or would it be better (cost wise) to just start off with one of the Ren-64 boards from the beginning? Solder and schematic skills are not a problem.

Sorry to get slightly off topic.

Best regards,

Craig Moore
Mancelona, MI

pixeldigger

12-28-2007, 01:16 PM

I would be interested in some more SSR packs, depending on delivery dates.

blurp

12-28-2007, 11:14 PM

I'm interested in 6 Ren24s. Thanks.

JEEPGUY

12-29-2007, 06:17 PM

I'm interested in parts for:

1 Grinch
1 LEDTricks
2 Ren C
1 Ren T
16 SSRoz

acewingman

12-29-2007, 08:44 PM

Depending on the price, I would be interested in

32 SSR

....removed the Ren T/C....

jsigone

12-30-2007, 10:40 AM

I would be interested in parts (both required and optional) for 10 Xmus' Renard16s - thanks

eschnell

12-30-2007, 08:09 PM

Dependant on price, I would be in for 2 Ren-C's and 2 Ren-T's, parts and PCB's

Thanks Jason

JaysonH

12-30-2007, 08:19 PM

Forget who had asked but:

Is this thread collecting "interest only" or the actual order thread.

This particular thread is only gauging interest, as I need to determine which kits to offer (ie. many want them and would be worth my time sorting) and which ones not to offer (lower interest levels thus not really worth the time/effort).

Price?

Prices will not be known in any type of real certainty until the end of January to the beginning of February.

When is payment due?

Just as the last co-op, only parts that are paid for are ordered. The last order was $16k (rounded up); Had I ordered all the parts out of pocket then had someone cancel, that money would have stayed out of my pocket. Most co-ops are this way anyway, as it is a co-op, not a "purchase from a store" type of deal.

When will parts be in?

I'd really rather not answer this question as it created we'll say, a situation, the last co-op. We're all at the mercy of the manufacturers, plain and simple. I could get one quoted date from the distributor, but in the end, it all lays upon the manufacturer. This is assuming of course all orders are not available immediately from the distributor. Though the liklihood that all parts will be immediately available from the distributor is simply, not realistic. I can only say this much.. 90,000 parts made their way out to last years (2007) participants, many lessons were learned by me and I'm confident my sorting/packaging method is more honed than it was for 2007's co-op. Though in the end, I am just a person, a single individual, not a business just someone willing to donate my time to sorting, repackaging and shipping in an effort to allow individuals to save money. Above and beyond that I will not make any type of promises, as I made the fatal mistake of doing for 2007's co-op. That said, my personal goal date for having parts out by is within 2 months maximum of receiving ALL parts. GOAL I said. :)

Ok, when do you anticipate getting ALL the parts then?

If the order is placed in February, I hope to receive ALL the parts within 2 months. Hopefully it will be sooner, but going by last years (2007) co-op, yes, I believe I will (and would much rather) say 2 months. <grin>

So, that means your "goal" to have all parts shipped by is the end of June or beginning of July?

Yep, that is the "GOAL".

What if it is beyond that?

Thats the risk you take, plain and simple. I can only assure you I'll work my butt off to sort, repackage and ship everything as soon as possible. Since I am an individual providing a DONATION of my TIME (ie. dont think of it as a service that is earning profit and/or you are paying for), I have a job that may throw things my way, family to take care of, etc. Sure, I could make a business of this, though, I beleive it defeats the purpose or at the very least intent that I have to simply, HELP where I can. Not to mention, I'd have to get a business (occupational) license for this particular type of business, sales certificate (tax), federal employer identification number... etc. No thank you, because then I would have to charge YOU the "participant" as a -customer- to cover costs.

Can I assist you with sorting?

All offers to do so are welcome, appreciated and should PM me with such offers. This sorting process takes days, a ridiculous number of hours (depending upon size of the order of course) and is tedious to say the least. That said.

So how are we going to put in our participation for the co-op (its not an "order", as an "order" denotes I am a business, from here out it will be called a "participation")?

I have a webpage that will go live where you'll be able to plug in what you want, it will then present you with a page you should print out, sign and mail to me. Without this signed print out, your participation request will be null and void. On the server side, it will then computate how many parts are needed based upon individual's participation requests so that I know the running count, can present to the distributor and find out prices. This print out will not obligate you to a participation request mind. If you're new to this, you'll get the gist of it all soon enough I assure you.

What parts will be ordered from the distributor for each type of parts kits?

The BOM (aka parts list) of each parts "kit" will be listed shortly in my first post of this thread (unless it doesnt allow me to edit a post beyond a certain age), though, I will let everyone know now that the SSR parts kits will be fused only and will have ALL parts needed to fully populate it. Xmus parts kits will have ALL parts to full populate it, etc. If it's "optional" it will be included. This is the decision at this point and is subject to change, though once I do post the BOM (aka parts list) for each parts "kit", it will be final unless the author of the actual project for which the parts "kit" is designated changes the BOM and/or recommends a change.

Any other questions, please ask and I'll do my best to answer.

eschnell

12-30-2007, 09:16 PM

Maybye you should give Mouser a heads up and let them know you're going to order a bunch of parts, then they can have extra on stock.

hutchijw

12-31-2007, 08:12 AM

My father-in-law is the director of operations for a circuit board company in Lansing Michigan. Obviously, these people order this material each and every day. If I was given a a parts list with the totals on it, I could have him get a quote for us also. Let me know if this is something you want to talk about more

hutchijw

12-31-2007, 08:14 AM

I would be in for the part kits of the following:

1 Ren-T
2 Ren-C
32 SSR's
2 Olsen 595

grages

12-31-2007, 08:46 AM

I would be in for the part kits of the following:

2 Ren-T
32 SSR's
2 Ren 64

JaysonH

12-31-2007, 10:32 AM

Maybye you should give Mouser a heads up and let them know you're going to order a bunch of parts, then they can have extra on stock.

Already been done once I noticed there was interest in the co-op. I'm in contact with the POC at Mouser. ;) Was one of those lessons learned from last co-op.

dbeckstine

12-31-2007, 11:13 AM

will be interested depending on price:

grages

12-31-2007, 02:06 PM

I believe this is for parts only, no boards.

JaysonH

12-31-2007, 02:34 PM

I believe this is for parts only, no boards.

PCB's will be available for this one.

grages

12-31-2007, 02:58 PM

I believe this is for parts only, no boards.

PCB's will be available for this one.

Sorry, my mistake.

ibby1

12-31-2007, 03:20 PM

2 Ren-t
2 Ren-C
1 Grinch
16 SSR

Thanks,

Todd

ben

12-31-2007, 04:31 PM

I believe this is for parts only, no boards.

PCB's will be available for this one.

oh thats nice. Will PCB's also get a nice discount or are they the same price just now included in the price?

Ben

biffklg

12-31-2007, 04:54 PM

4 ren-t PK
4 ren-c PK
1 olsen 595 PK
20 SSR PK
4 SSR PCB

Mufassa

12-31-2007, 07:51 PM

I would go for 8 - Ren 16's (xmus)

JaysonH

12-31-2007, 11:51 PM

I believe this is for parts only, no boards.

PCB's will be available for this one.

oh thats nice. Will PCB's also get a nice discount or are they the same price just now included in the price?

Ben

Details of this are being worked out. The offer was made to have PCB's available and I believe it would be nice for participants to receive parts kits and the PCB for that particular project. Though details, finalizations and absolute confirmation of this will be available soon. Until then, I'm only after knowing the interest rate of parts kits.

ben

01-01-2008, 09:19 AM

grages

01-01-2008, 09:24 AM

Well the next step it to get them pre soldered, hint hint :) :shock:

That takes all of the fun out of it. And you can buy that now.

ben

01-01-2008, 09:29 AM

Well the next step it to get them pre soldered, hint hint :) :shock:

That takes all of the fun out of it. And you can buy that now.

yeah I was just being sarcastic. I mean people do freak out that they can't/don't/won't solder but I actualy think that is the best part! Ordering the partss and the PCB and waiting for them. I timed my last order so the PCB's AND the parts showed up the same day!!

Ben

WebCats

01-01-2008, 01:46 PM

I am interested but don't know just what I will need. Stating from ground up. Planning 200+ dimmable channels

acewingman

01-01-2008, 04:11 PM

In addition to my 32 SSRs I need to add 4 Renard24s...

Thanks

CJBurton

01-01-2008, 06:08 PM

Would like
1 ren64
24 srs

Thanks Clint

JaysonH

01-01-2008, 08:07 PM

I am interested but don't know just what I will need. Stating from ground up. Planning 200+ dimmable channels

Each channel will allow for 1~3amp depending upon which system, what heatsinks, etc. I cant speak for RJ's design. 1amp is three 100 stand lights. So 200 channels would mean controlling about 60,000 lights. That said.

Renard64's handle 64 channels as the name denotes, so for 200 channels you would want four Renard64's and SSR's. I mean to put it simply, but, your options are quite open of which platform to go with, etc.

edrpepper

01-01-2008, 10:10 PM

I would like

2 xRen64s (parts),
32 x SSRs (parts),
2 x Ren-Ts (parts),
1 x Ledtricks (parts and pcb)

Thanks,

Marshall.

jeff.ott

01-03-2008, 01:55 AM

Jayson:

You really are a glutton for punishment. . . I need the following parts if you decide to do this again.

5 Frank REN-24's
2 Ren-C's
2 LEDTricks
1 Ren-T

Removed from Coop on March 4th.

random_rodder

01-03-2008, 08:00 AM

Cancel mine...

michaelc

01-03-2008, 11:02 AM

I'd be very interested in a 595 COOP. I have a PCB and need the components. Along with this, I would probably be interested in an SSR coop if they included the PCB's

cobraman44

01-03-2008, 11:46 AM

Jason, I don't know but you thought the last one was big. With all the new board members this order may be HUGE. You may need a storage shed just for parts!! :)

michaelc

01-03-2008, 12:03 PM

Jason: I've got an idea for helpers for you. Go to the nearest HS and find the electronics club. Maybe you can do a demo and dump all the parts on a table and let the students 'learn' the difference by sorting them all out.

JaysonH

01-03-2008, 12:50 PM

Michael,

Thats actually a very good idea, I'll see if the local electronics class/club teacher wouldn't mind allowing me to make slaves, erm, helpers out of his/her students.

JaysonH

01-03-2008, 12:54 PM

Jason, I don't know but you thought the last one was big. With all the new board members this order may be HUGE. You may need a storage shed just for parts!! :)

I'm seriously hoping this is the case. If I can sort out 90k of parts, I really cannot see much difference between that and 180k, just more repetition is all.

PIC's for any parts kits requiring/including them (ie. Renard's) will be programmed as well for no addition fee.

Someone asked if I would accept donations. If you want to donate once this is all said and done, have at it, it will be appreciated though of course, certainly not required.

JaysonH

01-03-2008, 01:01 PM

What parts kits will be offered? Is it finalized?

I believe what parts kits I'll be offering has been finalized. I was going to offer only the Grinch since it is the cheaper method of offering an on/off controller, though, it seems the demand for the Olsen 595 is still strong, despite being more expensive albeit it does have LED's so that's probably
the reason for the demand.

[-] Renard64 (Phil's)
[-] Renard24 (Frank's)
[-] Renard16 (Dave's/Xmus')
[-] FireGod's Field System
[-] Olsen 595 (Brian's)
[-] Grinch (RJ's)
[-] 4 Channel SSR Fused (Sean Bowf/SSROZ)
[-] LEDTriks (RJ's)
[-] Ren-T (Wayne's)
[-] Ren-C (I forget who designed this, very sorry, someone update me please)

I do not suspect I'll be removing any of the above, however, I may add onto it if there is a popular design out before the end of January.

Which FireGod System?

http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84

This'n... I'm following FG's FGII system closely, though for simplicity purposes (of the co-op that is) the above linked FG system is the one I've been referring to.

Trepidati0n

01-03-2008, 01:08 PM

I would take probably 36 "SSR Fused". RJ was sneaky as is making the freestyle lynx 128 channels now :)

michaelc

01-03-2008, 01:32 PM

JaysonH

01-03-2008, 01:37 PM

The 595's are easy because you can program them and use the leds to 'test' or 'preview' your program without having to hook up all the lights.

Very convenient in the off season, when I don't want to leave 6400 xmas lights out.

Just so that no one interprets the above wrong, the Olsen 595 requires no programming. :)

The LED's are useful, if I choose between the two I would go Olsen because of the lights, though, that too would have been before Vixen's "Adjustable Preview" plug in.

No worries though, both will be offered, so, we're covered.

ppohlman

01-03-2008, 02:54 PM

Does the SSR Fused (Sean Bowf) use the same parts as the SSROZ 2.5d (wJohn)?

JaysonH

01-03-2008, 03:01 PM

Does the SSR Fused (Sean Bowf) use the same parts as the SSROZ 2.5d (wJohn)?

Yes

NogginBoink

01-03-2008, 03:19 PM

Jaysen, Could I convince you to offer bulk TRIACs/Optos only? At the right price I might buy into 500 for the 'NogginDesign' controller.

Mrplow123

01-03-2008, 05:12 PM

LightDude

01-03-2008, 09:05 PM

Hi, I am interested in 4 Renard24 parts kits. Thank You.

JaysonH

01-03-2008, 09:25 PM

So now that you posted the list of available kits, I have a question. For the Ren-64 kit, will it be the BOM for the existing design that everyone used this year? Or are you going to wait for Phil to iron out and test his new proposed design? I am not sure how long it will be before his new design is ready, so you might not want to wait for it and just go with the old design. I have a pile of the original boards and wil not be buying the new one, so I need to know this before I comit to an order for parts. I am sure others will want to know this also.

This depends. I personally also have one unpopulated "current version" (as in "released") board that I am/was/whatever intending to get a parts kit for. Right now as it stands, we'll be using the released version. No offense to you intended bro, not at all, though I believe it best to let Phil (and those assisting him) do their thing and not interfere by offering parts kits for a incomplete version. I asked Phil (and I hated doing it as I felt as though I was rushing him) if there was a ballpark on timeframe of completion/release and I got the answer I already assumed - that was, its still in the works.

I believe many have unpopulated boards from last year and those are the boards that are available to me/us as well. So to put it simply, the BOM I intend to use is for the older/current style that requires the Ren-T (or something that performs the same functions as the Ren-T).

Should the release of the newer version be made (ie. tested, etc.) then I'll probably offer a parts kit for it as well (the -only- reason I would take on more tasks is to assist in making the new version "the" standard more-less).

The BOM's will be posted the end of this month, most likely when the prices are released (obtained for that matter - still waiting for any more participants).

Greg in Canby

01-03-2008, 10:14 PM

Does the SSR Fused (Sean Bowf) use the same parts as the SSROZ 2.5d (wJohn)?

Mine say SSR v2.4, whats the difference?

Greg

BadWolf

01-03-2008, 11:00 PM

Hello, I would like:

1) ledtriks
1) grinch
16) SSR

Later. . . . . . . Brad

Mrplow123

01-03-2008, 11:23 PM

JaysonH

01-04-2008, 01:42 AM

Just to be clear. I was not even suggesting that you offer a parts kit for the new not release version of the Ren-64. It has not even been completed, let alone tested yet. I just wanted to be sure, so I was not ordering parts for a board I have no intention of buying or building.

Right, I know. I was speaking my take on the whole thing, not acting on anything I took as implications from you (as I received none from you). That said.

The difference in versions of the SSROZ's I believe are layout only, not actual parts list changes.

Sean Bowf

01-04-2008, 07:32 AM

Mine say SSR v2.4, whats the difference?

Greg

WJohn had come to me to help proof his layout for an SSR PCB he was going to sell in Oz... They are pretty much the same layout as mine, just a different manufacturer (the ones you have are made by advanced circuits in the US, the ones Wjohn sells are made in China). He now offers the PCBs to everyone that needs them. Both should work interchangably.

The Oz boards say "SSRoz" on them and have a yellow silk screen. The Bowf boards say "SSR v2.4" on them and have a white silk screen.

Sean

Greg in Canby

01-04-2008, 10:20 AM

Thanks Sean.

Penfold

01-04-2008, 03:08 PM

Do you have a guesstimation on the costs per board yet?

JaysonH

01-04-2008, 04:49 PM

Do you have a guesstimation on the costs per board yet?

Not until the end of this month.

JaysonH

01-04-2008, 05:18 PM

All updates of information will be placed in the first post of this thread for ease of finding information.

ikabod

01-04-2008, 05:34 PM

Interested in:

32 SSR
2 Ren-C
1 Ren-T

ben

01-04-2008, 08:47 PM

So jayson. Are you going to get PIC's for the GRINCH? Mouser sells the one that starts with an S ( I can't spell ) and someone said they have only used 16ch but it works good.

Ben

P. Short

01-04-2008, 08:52 PM

The grinch doesn't use PICs. Maybe your thinking about the LED driver chips.

--

Phil

ben

01-04-2008, 09:23 PM

The grinch doesn't use PICs. Maybe your thinking about the LED driver chips.

--

Phil

Sorry, I meant the Alegro IC's

Ben

rrowan

01-04-2008, 09:51 PM

Ok, I'll throw my wish list in also :)

Part Kits:
1 - Grinch
16 - SSROZ
1 - Ren-T
2 - Ren-C (with pic?)
4 - Xmus16

Part Kits with PCB:
1 - Grinch
16 - SSR

That should be a good start.

Thanks

Rick R. (rrowan)

(Sorry about the pcb orders - I misunderstood what was available)

moose

01-04-2008, 10:47 PM

Intrested in Xmus-16 for 6 with PCB's to cut down on shipping costs. Does that mean I need to edit the thread on Xmus-16 COOP?

JaysonH

01-04-2008, 11:35 PM

Ok, added to the first post concerning PCB's, sorry for any confusion, hopefully I cleared up any misunderstandings or misrepresentations now. If not, I'll do my best to clear it up even more. :)

ben

01-05-2008, 12:32 AM

Ok, added to the first post concerning PCB's, sorry for any confusion, hopefully I cleared up any misunderstandings or misrepresentations now. If not, I'll do my best to clear it up even more. :)

Can you add a list of PCB's that are available? I know the SSRoz, Grinch, and Ren-C are available but I thought there were some others.

Ben

Dan Ross

01-05-2008, 01:20 AM

He has the PCB's that are available listed next to that parts kits listed in the first post.

ben

01-05-2008, 01:23 AM

He has the PCB's that are available listed next to that parts kits listed in the first post.

just noticed, Thanks!!

Ben

ando

01-05-2008, 02:40 PM

RocketRick

01-05-2008, 04:50 PM

Count me in for parts for:

4 x Xmus' Renard 16

Thanks,

- Rick

ando

01-06-2008, 08:28 AM

(Jumping in with both feet) Put me in for:

1 - FireGod System

24 - SSR w/boards

JaysonH

01-06-2008, 11:14 AM

What parts kits will be offered? Is it finalized?

I believe what parts kits I'll be offering has been finalized.

[-] FireGod's Field System

I do not suspect I'll be removing any of the above, however, I may add onto it if there is a popular design out before the end of January.

Which FireGod System?

This'n... I'm following FG's FGII system closely, though for simplicity purposes (of the co-op that is) the above linked FG system is the one I've been referring to.

Is there any chance the co-op will be making FireGod's PCB's available, as well as the parts kit?

There is a good chance of having PCB's for the FG system. Because I have so much personal interest in this particular system I had planned to use the $500 credit at 4pcb.com to get the boards made up. I'll be tallying up the numbers and placing them in the first post by the end of tonight to see where things stand, if there are enough persons interested in the FG system PCB's, then I'll be moving forward and getting them made.

BadWolf

01-06-2008, 12:59 PM

I want to add, "with boards" wherever available.

Thanks!

Hello, I would like:

1) ledtriks
1) grinch
16) SSR

Later. . . . . . . Brad

PacMang

01-06-2008, 04:48 PM

Right now i will need at least 32 SSR with boards

Penfold

01-07-2008, 09:41 AM

Please put me down for one kit for a Renard 24 board.

JaysonH

01-07-2008, 07:50 PM

Ensuring these BOM's are correct guys, the SSR's may take a slight change to allow better LED control. I may just make that one last and get the other BOM's up, forgotten about the proposed slight changes of Triac used in the SSR's. Though keep the interest coming..

magicbyshadow

01-08-2008, 05:10 PM

I'm in for one Grinch and 32 SSR's all with boards.
May also take a Ledtriks depending on price.

muttley

01-09-2008, 08:36 AM

depending on timing and price, put me down for 5 parts kits for the Xmus Boards. might be more.

thanks!

james70818

01-09-2008, 12:34 PM

I would like to get:

1 FireGod
36 SSR's

James

wseay

01-10-2008, 01:49 AM

Please put me on the list for the following:

2 Ren24 Parts
2 LedTricks Boards & Parts

Thanks & God Bless you on sorting!! :D

Bakesbrownies

01-10-2008, 04:02 PM

Please put me down for:

1x Renard64 w/board
16x ssr w/boards
1x RenT w/boards

Thanks, Tom

XmasInGalt

01-10-2008, 04:29 PM

Please put me down for
Ren-T x 2 (parts only)
Ren-C x 4 (parts & PCB)
LEDTriks x 2 (parts & PCB)

Thanks.

ben

01-10-2008, 04:39 PM

5 Ren24's
16 SSR's
7 Ren16's

(change from earlier)

Ben

Deast

01-10-2008, 10:51 PM

I think I will need 4 ren 16 kits (xmus).

rstehle

01-11-2008, 12:09 AM

Hi,
Please put me in for 13 kits for the Ren 16 (Xmus) and 1 led tricks.

Thanks,
Randy

KayentaJane

01-11-2008, 12:24 AM

I would like:

1 Grinch
1 Ren-C
1 Ren-T
16 SSR's

And all boards, or other bits & pic programming as needed.

Thanks! :)
Kay

mark

01-11-2008, 12:31 AM

1 FG set
18 SSRs (i'll have to work this one out )

lundeby

01-12-2008, 04:51 AM

I am deeply amazed by the folks in this forum. It's a huge undertaking to organize these types of coops! Thanks so much to JaysonH tor even considering it. I was not around last year but I am impressed to have someone willing to do this even without whatever issues there were. It takes a lot of work just to handle ones own order for parts for these kinds of projects.

I'm very interested in parts for:

6 - Xmus' Renard 16

There is nothing like designing a board w/ pinstripe tape on plastic, doing a photo reduce, etching some boards by hand, drilling them with a press, getting parts from 3 or 4 different places, etc., etc. to make you appreciate what folks are doing here. Oops, is my age showing a bit ? But not as much as you might think for folks doing hobby work. Anyway, thanks for even considering this coop!!!

Bruce

BillAd

01-12-2008, 06:11 PM

Jason,

I am no longer interested in purchasing parts for the XMUS 16 boards. Thank-you for the effort.

Bill

omzig

01-12-2008, 06:35 PM

Count me in for 2 Renard 24 kits.

JaysonH

01-12-2008, 09:28 PM

For those wanting PCB's after reconsideration, wjohn would like to offer them direct to those interested vice shipping to me to send out with the parts. Sorry for any confusion guys.

I was tallying, though some have more than one post indicating quantity interests. No worries, as it isn't affecting counts, though I did want to go ahead and make a post asking that you ensure should your quantity interests change that you modify your existing post (I'm assuming of course the forums allow you to) vice making a new one. :)

BuzzLightyear

01-13-2008, 03:15 PM

Please put me down for 4 Xmus ren 16 pics programed.

Thanks,
Buzz

ppohlman

01-14-2008, 02:47 PM

grages

01-14-2008, 03:29 PM

I did want to go ahead and make a post asking that you ensure should your quantity interests change that you modify your existing post

So is this going to become the "Actual" parts coop thread instead of an "Interest Only" thread?

I ask because several posts, including my own, were dependant on costs and time frame. Thought I'd throw it out there.

From the first Post

So how are we going to put in our participation for the co-op (its not an "order", as an "order" denotes I am a business, from here out it will be called a "participation")?

I have a webpage that will go live where you'll be able to plug in what you want, it will then present you with a page you should print out, sign and mail to me. Without this signed print out, your participation request will be null and void. On the server side, it will then computate how many parts are needed based upon individual's participation requests so that I know the running count, can present to the distributor and find out prices. This print out will not obligate you to a participation request mind. If you're new to this, you'll get the gist of it all soon enough I assure you.

So the "Participation" will go live at some point in the Near Future. Hope that helps.

ppohlman

01-14-2008, 04:14 PM

Sorry, I must have missed that part.

Thanks for the info. So when will the website go live? Just curious, no rush.

JaysonH

01-14-2008, 10:32 PM

http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1935&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

aussiephil

01-15-2008, 12:58 AM

Jason

I'll be in for 16 * SSROZ with boards.
Might extend that to 24 depending on price.

Still shaking my head at the work you are putting in, my biggest thanks to you

First timer in Oz
Phil

jcstarr2000

01-15-2008, 12:29 PM

I would also be interested in .
64 SSR parts only
4 LEDTICK's parts only
4 RENC parts only
4 RENT parts and pcb

thanks
Jeff

scharbon

01-15-2008, 12:43 PM

EDIT: I have updated my request
---------------------------------------------------
Jason,
I would be interested in parts for:
16 SSR boards.
2 REN C Boards
1 REN T Board

Thanks

Steve

Sly

01-15-2008, 02:07 PM

For those wanting PCB's after reconsideration, wjohn would like to offer them direct to those interested vice shipping to me to send out with the parts. Sorry for any confusion guys.

Just for clarification, are you only offering the parts and no pcb's at all so we would need to get these from wjohn or through another coop??
Thanks

edit -sorry just saw this was changed in the first post.

RonnieK

01-15-2008, 02:13 PM

I would like to get in for:

Part Kits:
2 - Grinch
16 - SSROZ
1 - Ren-T
2 - Ren-C

Thanks,
Ronnie Kelley

Mudsculpter

01-15-2008, 03:51 PM

I would be interested in 4 Renard24 kits with screwdowns (If that becomes an option)

WWNF911

01-16-2008, 02:58 AM

***UPDATED 1/17/08***
I would like to be in for :

Parts Kits:
2 Renard 64's
4 Xmus' Renard16s *Added - 1/17/08*
1 Ren-T and
32 SSROZ's

Thankyou so much for taking this on Jayson!

Leon

LightDude

01-16-2008, 12:52 PM

Hi, I would like to update my order to:

6 Renard24 Part Kits.

Thank you for your time and energy !

deplanche

01-16-2008, 01:20 PM

eschnell

01-16-2008, 04:16 PM

I think i've finally decided on

1 - Grinch
1 - Ren-T
2 - Ren-C
16 - SSR

(if that doesn't seem like a logical grouping, can someone please let me know. I am still a little new to this, and a bit overwhelmed by all the info).

You don't need two Ren-C's for one Grinch board, unless you're using it fore something else... ie currently owned hardware

lowrdsdime

01-19-2008, 08:23 PM

I would be interested in

1- GRINCH

16 - SSR w/board

kmc123

01-19-2008, 09:57 PM

I'm interested in 6 Ren 24 Part's sets.

RussSTman653

01-20-2008, 02:33 PM

sorry Count me out for my grinch and ssr's ( I would edit my old post buut i can't figure out how to on the new site)

JaysonH

01-20-2008, 03:21 PM

Due to receiving an email just now, yes, A6279EA-T 's are the IC's that will be used for the LEDtriks parts kits.

donald7777

01-20-2008, 08:29 PM

I would be interested in:
1 olsen 595 parts kit
16 ssr's parts kit

rstehle

01-20-2008, 11:10 PM

Put me down for parts for 4 Ren 24's, 13 Xmus 16's, and 1 ledtriks.

JaysonH

01-21-2008, 01:20 AM

Just for clarification, are you only offering the parts and no pcb's at all so we would need to get these from wjohn or through another coop??
Thanks

edit -sorry just saw this was changed in the first post.

Just saw this while going through to get a count. Correct, I am offering only parts kits (no PCB's), the same as last co-op. wjohn has asked me to direct you guys to him directly. In retrospect, this is probably best anyway, since I can see already the participation in this co-op (so far) exceeds that of last years, at least it looks that way. I'll know in a few minutes once this tally is done (not closing it guys, just making a running count on my end for now). :)

JaysonH

01-21-2008, 01:44 AM

Here is the current count:

ben
16 SSR's
7 Ren16's
5 Ren24's

mrplow123
4 Ren-24's
3 Ren-64's
48 SSR kits
1 maybe 2 Led tricks

alwysrit2
7 Renard16s
2 Ren-C's

Greg in Canby
32 SSR Parts Kits
16 Bowf SSR PCB's
1 FireGod

tnorman
2 Ren64s
32 SSRs
2 Ren-Ts

WakeFan
6 Frank24
2 Ren64
2 RenT

eschnell
32 SSR
2 Ren-C
2 Ren-T

petefats
grinch x 2
ledtriks x 2
ssr x 16

daviddth
28 SSR's
2 Ledtriks

cobraman44
31 SSR
2 Olsen 595
4 Ren-C
2 Ren-T

jemerick
4 REN-C
2 REN-T

MrLights2000
ren-t 1
olsen 1
ren-c 2
renard24 3
ledtriks 1
ssr's 16

barrynash17
4 ren64 parts
4 ren64 pcbs

RickeyS
2 grinch
32 ssr's

AaronG
2 ren64
2 rent
2 renc
32 ssr's

rovingmind
2 Grinch
14 SSR's

CP1
2 Ren24's

ppohlman
2 x ren64
32 x SSRs
2 x Ren-t
1 x Ren16

reactortrip
2 ren64s
1 ren t
32 SSRs

moorecomp
1 Grinch
8 SSR's

pixeldigger
Delivery date is TBA bro, I updated my first post

blurp
6 Ren24's

JEEPGUY
1 Grinch
1 LEDTriks
2 Ren C
1 Ren T
16 SSR's

acewingman
32 SSR
4 Ren24's

maffeirw (now listed as jsigone)
10 Xmus16's

hutchijw
1 Ren-T
2 Ren-C
32 SSR's
2 Olsen 595

grages
2 Ren-T
32 SSR's
2 Ren64

dbeckstine
32 SSR's

ibby1
2 Ren-T
2 Ren-C
1 Grinch
16 SSR

biffklg
4 Ren-T
4 Ren-C
1 Olsen 595
20 SSR's

Mufassa
8 Ren16's

CJBurton
1 Ren64
24 SSR's

edrpepper
2 Ren64's
32 SSR's
2 Ren-T's
1 ledtriks

jeff.ott
5 Frank Ren24's
2 Ren-C's
2 LEDTriks
1 Ren-T

random_rodder
40 SSR
2 Grinch
2 LEDTriks
2 Ren-T
4 Ren-C

Trepidati0n
36 SSR's

LightDude
4 Ren24's

BadWolf
1 LEDtriks
1 Grinch
16 SSR's

ikabod
32 SSR's
2 Ren-C's
1 Ren-T's

rrowan
1 Grinch
16 SSR
1 Ren-T
2 Ren-C
4 Xmus16's

moose
6 Xmus16's

RocketRick
4 Xmus16's

Wildwillie (now listed as ando)
1 FireGod
24 SSR

mgrosh (now listed as PacMang)
32 SSR

Penfold
1 Ren24

magicbyshadow
1 Grinch
32 SSR's
1 LEDTriks

muttley
5 Ren16 (Xmus)

james70818
1 FG
36 SSR

wseay
2 ren24
2 ledtricks

bakesbrownies
1 Ren64
16 SSR
1 Ren-T

XmasInGalt
2 Ren-T
4 Ren-C
2 Ledtricks

Deast
4 Ren16 (Xmus)

rstehle
4 Ren24
13 Ren16 (Xmus)
1 LedTricks

KayentaJane
1 Grinch
1 Ren-C
1 Ren-T
16 SSR

mark
1 FG
18 SSR

lundeby
6 Ren16

BillAd
4 Ren16

omzig
2 Ren24

BuzzLightyear
4 Ren16 (Xmus)

aussiephil
16 SSR

jcstarr2000
64 SSR
4 LedTricks
4 Ren-C
4 Ren-T

scharbon
16 SSR

RonnieK
2 Grinch
16 SSR
1 Ren-T
2 Ren-C

Mudsculpter
4 Ren24's

WWNF911
2 Ren64
4 Ren16 (Xmus)
1 Ren-T
32 SSR

LightDude
6 Ren24

deplanche
1 Grinch
1 Ren-T
1 Ren-C
16 SSR

lowrdsdime
1 Grinch
16 SSR

kmc123
6 Ren24

donald7777
1 Olsen
16 SSR

Just to reiterate what I mentioned in a post just above this one. I will not be offering PCB's, as wjohn (and myself thank you for showing me the light wj) would like for you guys to get them from him directly. Hopefully, this doesnt not distract from the participation of parts kits, since now things are just the same as last years (I didn't offer PCB's then either) though if it does, thats fine of course, just let me know. :)

The above list are those that posted interest in being a participant in the 2008 parts kit co-op. I'd like to take this time to ask those in the list to verify your interest. This isn't the final order (details of that are in the first post of this thread) though the more often I can confer with my point of contact at Mouser the better an idea of the price for the parts kits.

Anything listed as Ren16 is indeed the Renard16 (Xmus) parts kit. Ren24 is indeed Franks Renard24 parts kit.

I'm seeing a "good" mix of Grinch's and Olsen's. Again, since this is only an interest thread, I wanted to get an idea of which was the more popular. From what I understand, the Grinch used an IC from Allegro that is obsolete? If this is the case, then a substitution would have to be made and there is a thread regarding the entire substitution idea. It's cases like this where I can understand where Phil S. is coming from entirely. Has anyone used such substitution in their Grinch? If not, I would be wary regardless if Allegro says the sub is "the same pin for pin" simply because it hasn't been tested. I do intend to dig deeper into the situation and perhaps even purchase this substitution for someone (or ask that someone do it on their own) that currently has a Grinch setup. It perhaps wouldn't be too bad an idea incase your Grinch's IC's were to fail, would be better to know before this coming Xmas if the sub works properly or not. ;)

The parts to be used in the Olsen are tried and tested, so no wariness there, unless of course it needs to have a part substituted (lets hope not). Again, I may have mixed facts at the moment and I intend to become less ignorant of the situation -- though I didn't want to forget to put something up about it at all in this thread.

That said.

If you wish to make any changes to the list as to your participation, please create a new post in this thread and in big bold lettering type "CORRECTION" for instance:

Mudsculpter posts:

CORRECTION

5 Ren24

Then I'll know instantly for example that he wants 5 vice the previously requested 4. (Dont worry bro, I still have you for 4, unless you say otherwise).

Sound good? It's looking good I'll tell you. Noggin and Frank I didn't forget about you guys. Though since I did have to delete PM's I'm going to be asking you guys via PM for the amounts again. :/

PacMang

01-21-2008, 07:15 AM

Correction

50 SSR

Creg

01-21-2008, 08:43 AM

CORRECTION

Jayson, please include my interest in 4 LEDTriks sets.
Thanks, Creg.

LightDude

01-21-2008, 09:42 AM

CORRECTION:

My Total Order:

6 Renard16 part kits.

Thank You

scharbon

01-21-2008, 10:29 AM

Confirm you have my request for 16 SSRs correct.

By the way, I use the MB5027GN (or something like that) from king electronics in my Grinch and have absolutely no problems. THis is the chip mentioned in wJohns instructions.

Steve

RickeyS

01-21-2008, 12:03 PM

Correction for me:
32 SSR parts only
2 ren-c parts only
1 ren-t parts only

Thanks
RickeyS

andyb

01-21-2008, 01:44 PM

Interested in 16 SSROZ part kits and parts kit for wjohns new (2008) Renard64 design.

Andy B

JaysonH

01-21-2008, 06:04 PM

Interested in 16 SSROZ part kits and parts kit for wjohns new (2008) Renard64 design.

Andy B

The RenX (as I believe its being referred to as atm) is still in testing alpha (I rather call it alpha at this point - public beta is reserved for when actual participants test something imo) phase. Unless this shifts to a public beta phase, I'm only planning to offer the older Renard64 style. Though IF wjohn, Phil and everyone involved in the project feel confident to move it to public Beta before March 1st (the day I will be placing the order with the distributor/manufacturers) then its very possible I'll make a RenX (aka new Ren64 design) parts kit available but I'll still keep the parts kits for the older (ie current) Ren64 design available as well as many (including myself) have unpopulated Ren64 (older style) boards still. :)

adamsane

01-21-2008, 08:24 PM

I am interested in hearing more about ordering the parts for 2 Ren16 boards

Thank you.

JaysonH

01-21-2008, 09:05 PM

I am interested in hearing more about ordering the parts for 2 Ren16 boards

Thank you.

You've lost me. :(

WildWillie

01-21-2008, 09:18 PM

Wildwillie (now listed as ando)
1 FireGod
24 SSR

Thanks for the heads-up on the username. The boss is working on fixing it right now. I'm still good for the above.

adamsane

01-21-2008, 09:26 PM

You've lost me. :(

I apologize. I am new around here. I am going to do more research.

Adam

JaysonH

01-21-2008, 09:48 PM

I apologize. I am new around here. I am going to do more research.

Adam

No need to apologize, I was just lost is all and didn't want to give ill advice until I understood you. There is a plethora of information on these forums, sometimes it can be overwhelming (even to me and I hadn't just arrived here), if you have questions, feel free to ask in the forum you think it should go. Response time here is extremely nice in most situations.

Deast

01-21-2008, 11:10 PM

I will be needing 4 Ren16 kits, 1 grinch, and 16 ssr kits.

Thanks

wjohn

01-22-2008, 01:02 AM

JaysonH

01-22-2008, 01:05 AM

The REN64 (XC version) has been running on my bench for the last 2 days, happily ramping up and down. A board is on the way Phil for his test bench.

I would expect that the XC version will be public by 1 Mar, or earlier.

Welp there yas go, heard it from one of the men himself. Good show bro, great to hear in fact.

Will PM you about that shortly, but I have to get this subscription in first.

PacMang

01-22-2008, 07:21 AM

CORRECTION #2

Correction

50 SSR

If the RENX (new Renard 64) is going to be avaliable i would like to add 3 renX

to make my order total:

50 SSR
3 RenX

james70818

01-22-2008, 09:20 AM

CORRECTION

JaysonH, I need to double my parts order. I will now need a total of:

2 ea. FG's
72 ea. SSR's

Thanks for your work.

James

MrLights2000

01-22-2008, 06:42 PM

CORRECTION

i would like to order parts kits for just

6x renard 24's

robots4joey

01-23-2008, 07:26 PM

rrowan

01-23-2008, 08:11 PM

Hi Jayson,

You have for me.

rrowan
1 Grinch
16 SSR
1 Ren-T
2 Ren-C
4 Xmus16's

CORRECTION
30 SSR

The rest stays as is.

Thanks

Rick R. (rrowan)

JaysonH

01-23-2008, 08:55 PM

Jason, What about a bare bones SSR kit? I'd be interested in putting together a BOM for just:

opto
triac
Resistor 1 (I can't recall the values now...)
Resistor 2
and a 6 pin socket for the opto <this is debatable and could be dropped if the public requests>
Basically this is all that is needed to make 1 SSR.

These could be ordered in ammounts of 10 SSR's (number debatable). The benefit here is that all of these pieces are already being ordered, so the quantity discount gets better, and it allows others to participate in the co-op without buying extras that they don't need (ie terminal bars, led, fuses, rj45 jack)

Not trying to step on toes... let me know what you think. also if anyone else is interested-- that is important to know. (if it's just me I guess I'm stuck)

Rather not bro, see I intend to check the weight of each "kit" to ensure all parts are there, if extra parts are there, etc. I'll be using a weight counter this time around for everything. I mean, I'll consider it, though I'm leaning towards "I'd rather not" at this time. Actually, the purchase of the RJ45's reduced the prices not just of the RJ45's last time but gave me some power in negotiating last year (my guess is the profit margin on them are ridiculous), sockets seem the same way. I suppose I could see it, it's plastic molded small amounts of wire essentially, mass produced.

RJ mentioned "I'm sure someone will do a parts coop" in his Freestyle thread. I spoke to him and he made mention that someone volunteered to conduct it. I'm hopeful they'll contact me, if they want to do the coop for it thats cool, but, if they'd place the order for the participants of that coop, it would only help everyone with prices since the Lynx uses a decent number of identical parts as other projects. ;) (Consider this a request for that person who volunteered to contact me please).

That said, let me seriously consider it. PM me too with this request when you have a moment please.

JEEPGUY

01-24-2008, 01:03 AM

JaysonH

01-24-2008, 02:22 AM

Jason,

Any idea yet on prices with this many kits?

No.

On the LEDTricks kits will that include the 768 LED's?

Yes all parts kits will serve to fully populate the intended project (ie. PCB).

While I'm preparing the distributor for the (almost - as there have been just a few additions since I last spoke with my POC) order, I'm preferring to keep the pricing disclosure (since simply, it can change depending upon actual participation depending if there are changes from those numbers found in this inquiry thread to the actual intent to purchase thread) until as close to Feb 15th as possible.

Last coop we had 9500 triacs and optos for instance, at the moment, we're up to only ~6700. I was surprised of this when I ran the numbers two evenings (well now technically three I believe) ago as I felt that this thread surpassed those numbers of last coop.

Hope this helps a little at least.

zoommedic

01-24-2008, 02:38 AM

I would like to throw in my order
2 - REN 64
32 - SSR's

WWNF911

01-24-2008, 02:42 AM

I was bored tonight (no boards to solder up and didn't feel like getting cold sitting in the garage putting together SSR enclosures) so I looked at the stats on who was buying what.

Here's what the totals look like:

SSRs Ren C Ren T Xmus Ren 16 Ren 24 Ren 64 LedTricks Firegod Grinch Olsen 595
1223 48 44 89 58 27 27 5 20 6

Ren X
4

Jason,

Any idea yet on prices with this many kits?

On the LEDTricks kits will that include the 768 LED's?

The spacing makes it confusing.
How bout like this:

SSRs - 1223
Ren C - 48
Ren T - 44
Xmus/ Ren 16 - 89
Ren 24 - 58
Ren 64 - 27
LedTricks - 27
Firegod - 5
Grinch - 20
Olsen 595 - 6
Ren X - 4
_______________________________
Leon

JEEPGUY

01-24-2008, 02:49 AM

WWNF911,

After I posted I didn't realize the numbers were all bunched up. (not the way it looked when I was typing it.) Of course I can't edit it now since it's been over an hour since I posted it.

JEEPGUY

01-24-2008, 02:56 AM

No.

Yes all parts kits will serve to fully populate the intended project (ie. PCB).

While I'm preparing the distributor for the (almost - as there have been just a few additions since I last spoke with my POC) order, I'm preferring to keep the pricing disclosure (since simply, it can change depending upon actual participation depending if there are changes from those numbers found in this inquiry thread to the actual intent to purchase thread) until as close to Feb 15th as possible.

Last coop we had 9500 triacs and optos for instance, at the moment, we're up to only ~6700. I was surprised of this when I ran the numbers two evenings (well now technically three I believe) ago as I felt that this thread surpassed those numbers of last coop.

Hope this helps a little at least.

Thanks Jayson.

ben

01-24-2008, 04:42 PM

CORRECTION

15 Ren24
16 SSR
7 Ren16
1 Ren-C
2 Ren-T

Those are what I want my order to be, not adding those on to the old one.

Ben

JEEPGUY

01-24-2008, 07:21 PM

Correction:

1 LEDTriks
2 Ren C
1 Ren T
16 SSR's

Please drop the Grinch. I have most of the parts already.

gizmo

01-24-2008, 08:53 PM

JaysonH

01-24-2008, 11:14 PM

im new at this please forgive my stuped questions:

the order is for parts only--no board?

i have a grinch board on its way and 16 ssr boards. which will give me all 64 channels right?

how many ssr kits do i need 16 or 64?

the final price will be posted around feb 15 i think i read?

will the grinch kit come with the (i think it is called IC)? i got some free from the allergo link

thanks scott

In order of your questions:

1. Parts only
2. Correct
3. 16 (1 parts kit will populate one PCB)
4. Correct
5. Yes it will come with all parts to fully populate the PCB

Your welcome. :)

gizmo

01-24-2008, 11:28 PM

In order of your questions:

1. Parts only
2. Correct
3. 16 (1 parts kit will populate one PCB)
4. Correct
5. Yes it will come with all parts to fully populate the PCB

Your welcome. :)

you guys are great adn respond fast

the only problem i can pry mysely away.

LITE_ARK

01-25-2008, 09:27 AM

Hi!

I would be interested in parts for 2 REN64's

Slick1983

01-25-2008, 10:03 AM

Jason,
Put me down for:

6 - Xmus' Renard 16

Thanks for your hard work!

rstehle

01-25-2008, 10:50 AM

Need to update my order to:

16 Ren 16
2 Ren 24
1 Ledtriks

Up to 304 channels and counting. Just wish I could afford all of this... LOL

kmc123

01-25-2008, 10:46 PM

Hi Jayson,
Please let me know what the Renard 24 Parts Kits will go for as soon as you can - Depending on the price, I'll either go with 6 or 8.
Thanks!!!

ben

01-26-2008, 09:18 AM

Hi Jayson,
Please let me know what the Renard 24 Parts Kits will go for as soon as you can - Depending on the price, I'll either go with 6 or 8.
Thanks!!!

Its about $91 in parts just to place a mouser order for one. I am hoping he could get them down to $75 or 80.

Ben

P.S. you shouldn't be spending your money on lights, spend it on rockets ;)

richkes15

01-26-2008, 04:32 PM

Jason, I would like five (5) parts kits for Xmas' Renard 16 thanks Richard Kessler

RocketRick

01-27-2008, 06:47 PM

You currently have me down for:

RocketRick
4 Xmus16's

CORRECTION:

Please "up" my quantity to 6 Xmus16's, instead.

Thanks,

- Rick

JaysonH

01-27-2008, 10:18 PM

Ok, I've re-tallied up the interest for all posts before this one and I will have preliminary pricing (since it all depends upon who actually participate$ by actually paying) by Thursday (though I'm shooting for Tuesday). If there are more additions great. It will be at this time that I see if its worthwhile to offer kits such as LEDtriks, etc. We did have 11 more LEDtriks requests than we have now :( So, less LED's ordered means less chance to get them cheaper to the point for me to bother sorting the parts lol. By the way, LEDtriks parts kits will come with 1000 LED's, as I -really- do not want to count out 768 (or 786 whatever the case) LED's, its too many for my liking to count out for each individual parts kit. That way too you'll have extra in the case of bad ones, ones that blow, etc.

robots4joey

01-28-2008, 11:48 AM

I think I'll be interested in:

2 595 kits
4 ren-c's
2 ren-t's
16 ssr's

this is preliminary, since I'm ordering of myself and a friend, it is somewhat likley to change :)

thanks Jason!

P. Short

01-28-2008, 01:41 PM

One thing that I've noticed is that prices seem to be rising at mouser. The on-line prices are higher than the current print catalog prices, maybe due to the plummeting dollar.

--

Phil

JaysonH

01-28-2008, 05:08 PM

One thing that I've noticed is that prices seem to be rising at mouser. The on-line prices are higher than the current print catalog prices, maybe due to the plummeting dollar.

--

Phil

Yeah, I'm wishing I would have kept all those Canadian quarters I used to scoff at whenever I got them as change. :/

DavidHenry

01-28-2008, 08:41 PM

I'm interested, but still trying to decide what to do. Part of this will be the need to research what I actually need to make stuff work.

2 Ledtricks
2 Ren 64's
1 Ren - T (if needed for "current" design")
6 Ren 24's

May also be interested in a few SSR's, but if so, then I'll probably also need to increase my Ren64 count. Note: I already have parts for 32 SSR's, and I forgot how may extra SSR boards I have. I'm planning on converting my 595's to use the Ren 64.

David Henry

JaysonH

01-28-2008, 09:45 PM

I'm interested, but still trying to decide what to do. Part of this will be the need to research what I actually need to make stuff work.

2 Ledtricks
2 Ren 64's + whatever else needed to make them work.
4 or 5 Ren 24's
May also be interested in a few SSR's, but if so, then I'll probably also need to increase my Ren64 count.

David Henry

David,

With the Ren64's you'll need 16 SSR's for each, assuming you want to use all channels of each Ren64 (which it sounds as though you do). You'll also need Ren-T's (unless the new Ren64 design testing proves to be soundly tested before I actually order), since wjohn is running the testing of this along with Phil S. and since he offers the PCB's, this too depends upon him having any available. They're doing their best to get it out there as soon as reliability possible though I know I'm not rushing them. ;)

But, just keep in mind you may need at the very least one Ren-T. Frank's Ren24's have the 485/PS built functions built into them as well as the SSR circuitry, so. 2 x Ren64 = 128 channels, which if you want them all to be usable, you'll need 32 SSR's.

LEDtriks is self explanatory. The 5V power supply can be an external regulated/filtered power supply or use your 5V rail from the computer running Vixen (what I do).

I'll be taking an opportunity before too long to look at everyones requests on an individual basis for what appears to be discrepancies (ie. missing Ren-T requests when a Ren64 is requested, etc.).

Mrplow123

01-28-2008, 10:21 PM

I would like to update my order.

UPDATE

4 Ren-24's
3 Ren-64's
32 SSR Kits
2 Led Tricks

Thanks

docjon

01-29-2008, 11:11 PM

WWNF911

01-30-2008, 02:25 AM

Hi all,

Just a couple of questions about the Ren64 kit.
I don't plan on using them but are the per port LED's and resistor busses included in the pack?
And what happens with the PWM firmware, is this something i have to worry about or is it taken care of for me?

Thanks
Brenton

FYI - From previous posts on this thread

On the LEDTricks kits will that include the 768 LED's?

Yes all parts kits will serve to fully populate the intended project (ie. PCB).

deplanche

01-30-2008, 12:38 PM

I would like to update my previous request to:

2 - Grinch
2 - Ren-T
2 - Ren-C
32 - SSR

Thanks.

BadWolf

01-30-2008, 04:04 PM

Could I increase my order from 1 to 2 ledtriks?

So my total order would be:

2) ledtriks
1) grinch
16) SSR

Thanks!

Hello, I would like:

1) ledtriks
1) grinch
16) SSR

Later. . . . . . . Brad

Penfold

01-31-2008, 10:42 AM

Please put me down for another part kit for a Ren 24, bringing my total to two parts kits. I am still up in the air about the spade or screw down terminals, but I should have an idea after Frank finishing prototyping the new version.

JaysonH

01-31-2008, 06:48 PM

Guys, I had to run to Richmond at last minute for some serious router issues a client is experiencing. Incase anyone was wondering about the BOM's and preliminary prices, I wont be returning until late Friday evening (home that is), but I'll get on the ball about it Saturday. We're going to go with slightly better Triac's that Phil S. suggested, he had recommended a vote on the subject though I think I'll just push ahead and do it. Either way, money will be saved despite the couple cents higher cost of these other Triacs. Just a quick reason for the change, tests by I believe Brian (Macrosill, Brian jump in and correct me if I'm wrong here) were done showing that better results were had when the SSR were driving LED's. If the "standard" is changed altogether then no one will have to be concerned with it later whenever a SSR is used for LED's.

Also the 595 BOM will deviate from the normal parts list. One of the 595's (I believe I'll have to check my notes which aren't accessible via the computer I have VNC Ultra setup on - what I'm using to access my computer at home with at the moment) will be changed - the reason for this is also in my notes, but it will raise the price of a 595 kit by a few cents (like by 8 cents?).

Lastly, USPS will NOT be used. For whatever reason, the USPS office here is less than desirable. The troubles I seem to have with them is staggering and while I plan to put in an official Federal complaint, I cannot wait for results of the complaint (much less want to use them after having complained lol) though more importantly when it comes time to ship I'd rather not have anyone experience issues. I plan to make this years coop the one to show what I am all about, enough said there.

ppohlman

01-31-2008, 07:29 PM

With these changes, is there a way to post/link to the BOM for each of the kits you will be providing? That way people will know what they are going to get.

If I missed a post already stating the BOMs, could you show me where?

Thanks.

JaysonH

01-31-2008, 07:37 PM

The one right above your post bro:

Incase anyone was wondering about the BOM's and preliminary prices, I wont be returning until late Friday evening (home that is), but I'll get on the ball about it Saturday.

ppohlman

01-31-2008, 09:05 PM

Sorry about that Jayson. I guess I just read that wrong. My eyes glanced over the "and" between BOM and preliminary. I was thinking that you'd be putting just the prices together on Saturday. Please forgive my lazy eye.

rovingmind

02-01-2008, 01:13 AM

Correction

2 Grinchs

10 ssr

(yes i know how many the grinch requires, 1 grinch and 2 ssr are for backups because i'm paranoid)

klanger

02-01-2008, 07:18 AM

Correction

2 Grinchs

10 ssr

(yes i know how many the grinch requires, 1 grinch and 2 ssr are for backups because i'm paranoid)

Umm, if you want 64 channels for one Grinch, you will need 16 ssr boards.

jmccoh

02-01-2008, 11:08 AM

Incase anyone was wondering about the BOM's and preliminary prices, I wont be returning until late Friday evening (home that is), but I'll get on the ball about it Saturday.

Jayson,

I haven't posted my shopping list as it has changed probably 50 times since you began this thread. That being said, I certainly do not want to miss the boat on this one. Do you have an idea on when this order will take place? That way I will be forced to finish my layout, figure what I am goint to build, and place an order. I rally don't want to have 12 posts revising my order and have you scratching your head trying to figure out just what I really want.

Thanks again,
Jim

JaysonH

02-01-2008, 04:54 PM

Umm, if you want 64 channels for one Grinch, you will need 16 ssr boards.

Thank you Steve, I was just going to say. So rovingmind, let me know what your revision is then when you get the chance. ;)

Jim, this is all just the interest thread. I want to place the order Feb 15th. I did have to make an unplanned visit to Richmond, but using VNC Ultra (its easier to open up just one IP without anyone noticing vice many - it helps that I'm the Sr. NetAdmin on site) I can still surf and do some things, but I'll be back tonight (we're wrapping up now actually). I'm sure I'll have some husband duties I'll have to do tonight when I first get home, but I'll be on later tonight to post the BOM's. I might have gotten something regarding prices as well, I forgot to set up my redirect to send to the blackberry before I left. :/

Jayson

JaysonH

02-01-2008, 04:55 PM

klanger

02-01-2008, 06:35 PM

Thank you Steve, I was just going to say. So rovingmind, let me know what your revision is then when you get the chance. ;)

Jayson

Thats ok Jayson, but I'm Kevin.

rovingmind

02-01-2008, 10:46 PM

I'm planning on running 32 channels on a single grinch board, having a spare grinch board, and a pair of extra SSRs just in case. I will also have some lights constantly on, and a few other bits.

Depending on how that goes (I don't have much frontage) after christmas in 2009 i'll add in the other 32 channels, and possibly another grinch to the backup bin and a second full 64 for it, or a dimmable.

My Correction was correct for my wants/needs

2 grinch kits
10 SSR kits

Thanks for the help, it wasnt a misunderstanding on my part. Thats how many i can budget for at the moment for this drive. Depending on how things go later in the summer i might try to add in more SSRs but thats up in the air and depends on the work situation.

adamsane

02-01-2008, 11:06 PM

I would like to know the costs for

1 grinch kits
16 SSR kits

Thank you.

WildWillie

02-01-2008, 11:47 PM

Also, FedEx will be the chosen shipping company I'll be using. They're less expensive than UPS and faster. I'm still working this preference, since with USPS the boxes were free. I'll keep everyone posted.

FedEx boxes are free for the asking/ordering. There are 3 different sizes. After you establish an account, they can be ordered online or picked up at your local Fedex/Kinko's store.

JaysonH

02-03-2008, 01:51 PM

I'll check on this again, though last time they wanted to know my business information, of which this coop is not being run under any business name of mine.

I put the BOM's in my second post (page 1) of this thread. Inserting them into the first post made the post more than 10,000 lines and wasnt allowed by the forums.

rstehle

02-03-2008, 02:41 PM

Not being picky, but I didn't see the BOM for the Ren 16.................?

JaysonH

02-03-2008, 05:21 PM

Not being picky, but I didn't see the BOM for the Ren 16.................?

Correct. Still going over them all, but its SuperBowl Sunday so will have to be either later tonight or tomorrow. ;)

As for the Allegro chips. I know many have received free chips or plan to but in an effort to keep things as simple as possible (thats somewhat hypocritical) I was going to keep all parts kit complete. I'll reconsider this decision and will let you all know.

dnesci

02-03-2008, 06:08 PM

If this coop is still a possiblility, I'm interestedin
2- Ren-C's

Thanks

mark

02-04-2008, 11:15 AM

I'll check on this again, though last time they wanted to know my business information, of which this coop is not being run under any business name of mine.

you should be able to leave that blank. i set up a fedex a few years ago when i needed to send a ground package to canada and didn't provide any business info.

PacMang

02-04-2008, 04:58 PM

yes, i have never had a problem ordering boxes either... they will give them away for free just to make sure you use their service.

Trepidati0n

02-04-2008, 05:10 PM

If people are wondering how much the coop will save them..I would set up a mouser account and use the import feature. The SSR in low volumes are about $10.50 for parts. With the coop..will probably be around $5.50. Huge savings...

JEEPGUY

02-04-2008, 06:12 PM

I'll save you all some time on the Mouser pricing for the 5 boards I am populating. I did the BOM's on them a few weeks ago:

SSROZ's - $10.42
Grinch - $15.27 (No Allegro chips)
LEDTricks - $20.09 (No Allegro chips)
Ren - T - $20.14
Ren - C - $10.56 (No PIC)

mark

02-05-2008, 10:05 AM

i may have missed a post about this, but will the coop include the pcb?

Jayson - are you still posting BOMs? I was looking for the Firegod unit.

omzig

02-05-2008, 11:03 AM

i may have missed a post about this, but will the coop include the pcb?This is just for parts. There are a few coops running now for PCB's, plus I think that wjohn has many of them available.

BuzzLightyear

02-05-2008, 01:42 PM

Cancel my current participation as I am considering going another route for 2008. Hopefully I will come to a final decision before the actual co-op closes. Sorry for any trouble this may cause but after much thought, outboard ssr's may fit better with what I am planning.

Thanks
Buzz

gizmo

02-05-2008, 07:07 PM

im new at this whole coop thing!

my question is--have i missed the boat to order?

i have been watching this thread adn never say anything about taking orders.

can anyone help?

thanks
scott

WakeFan

02-05-2008, 08:36 PM

It's getting close to order time. Look at the first page for all the details so far.

Sloanhaus

02-05-2008, 09:36 PM

I am in for 8 Ren 16 parts. Jayson, you are the best. Let me know what I need to do...

dhavard

02-05-2008, 10:49 PM

I am interested depending on price. Looking for 4 REN16 (XMUS) parts kits.

omzig

02-05-2008, 11:25 PM

Since some of us are getting pre-programmed PIC's via the Ren24 PCB coop, is there going to be a way to exclude them from the Ren24 parts kits?

sandy

02-06-2008, 01:54 PM

Jayson
Good to see you doing this again.
Thanks
I'm in for 4 'Ren24' parts, no pics
I've got the pcb and pics ordered separately.
Let us know when you can,
for the amount to send, and it will be done.

Also add in 10 SSR parts only

If the pics come with the price,
I'm still in.
They don't cost that much and there will be revisions in the code.
I still want the 4 sets for the REN24, including the pics.

Thanks

JaysonH

02-06-2008, 04:46 PM

Since some of us are getting pre-programmed PIC's via the Ren24 PCB coop, is there going to be a way to exclude them from the Ren24 parts kits?

If I do that, then some will want SSR's without triacs/optos, ledtriks without the allegro's, etc. :/ The PIC's should run around $1.40 each through this parts kit co-op, so thats $4.20ish for 3, I think the Ren24 requires 3 right? Thats what I have in the BOM anyway.

Not going off on anyone, but, the premise of a parts kit coop is to order parts. ;) The way the distributor likes it is to see expensive parts ordered, if I make the order just resistors and LED's, the savings will become nil.

omzig

02-06-2008, 05:15 PM

I see your point. No biggie...forget I mentioned it.

polymorph

02-06-2008, 05:58 PM

Ok am i too late or what day do I have to comit by?

omzig

02-06-2008, 09:57 PM

**** My participation in this coop was canceled on 3/3/08 ****