Ren-T (second run) COOP - 'closed' - order placed.

[Wayne J]

There has been some requests for the Ren-T pcb, so here is the second coop for the Ren-T. I do not know when I will run another coop for this pcb.

I have posted all the files needed, if home etching is an option for you, in the link below. If not, then you can get them from this coop.
__________________________________________________ ___________

COOP Closed.... Order has been placed. I should have a few extras after I ship to everyone who participated in the COOP. Just send me a PM to check on availability and prices.

__________________________________________________ ___________

"How many will I need?" you ask...

The Ren-T can provide the ZC signal for great number of channels of dimming. The problem is the amount of channels you can run on one port. A couple things dictate this. Vixen's time intervals, and the baud rate used.


1 Ren-T for multiple Renard 64'swith PWM firmware and status LEDs installed, but you need to get the 5 volts from another source. It is only providing the ZC (not to exceed 143 channels per serial port @ 57600 baud and 50ms timing).

1 Ren-T per 2 Renard 64's with the non-PWM firmware , without status LEDs and no need for an alternate power supply. (not to exceed 143 channels per serial port @ 57600 baud and 50ms timing).

1 Ren-T for mutiple Ren-C's (not to exceed 143 channels per serial port @ 57600 baud and 50ms timing). It is only providing the ZC

(the channel count has been updated per wjohn correcting me)

The RenT is also does RS232-RS485 conversion.


The parts list, assembly, trace transfer files, ect., ect. is here.....
http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=477

The Radio Shack transformer SKU# 273-1365 is a nice replacement part for this application if the Xicon is out of stock.


Paid Orders in Green.....

wbuehler - 2
shocker - 2
biffklg - 4
usmcapc27 - 4
urjb - 2
kmiller - 4
ben - 2
IGotUbaby - 1
ppohlman - 2
AaronG - 2
WakeFan - 2
Aurbo99 - 1
Cobraman44 - 4
NogginBoink - 2
RichF - 2
kmc123 - 3
tnorman - 2
Penfold - 2
XmasInGalt - 4
jimr625 - 2
Charles V - 2
MonteryJack - 2
KS - 2
teberle - 1
maniac - 2
rrowan - 1
MrLights2000 - 2
JEEPGUY - 1
jemerick - 2
stephenwolf - 2
scharbon - 1
Toaster - 2
reactortrip - 2
daviddth - 4
kylec - 2
edrpepper - 2
jmccoh - 2
jeff.ott - 2
RickeyS - 2
TonyK - 2
ibby1 - 2
blickensderfer - 2
joeberg - 5
mval - 2
mahoo313 - 2
coastermike - 2
Northern Lights - 4
mrtinga - 2
ikabod - 1
scubasteve - 1

[wbuehler]

Can you put me down for two

Thanks

Bill

[shocker]

put me down for 2

[biffklg]

If this is the same one that can be used with the Ren-C for the olsen conversion I will take 1. I understand that I only need one even if I am running 3 ren-c boards. Correct?


Update me to 2 also. I figure it mightbe nice to have a spare or something.

[usmcapc27]

i would like 2 please!

[urjb]

I will take 2

Jon

[kmiller]

I will take two.

Thanks

[ben]

put me down for one.

Ben

[Wayne J]

If this is the same one that can be used with the Ren-C for the olsen conversion I will take 1. I understand that I only need one even if I am running 3 ren-c boards. Correct?

Yes, you will only need one.

[IGotUbaby]

I need one please.... I hope someone starts one for the ren-c as well.. I need four of those

[ben]

I need one please.... I hope someone starts one for the ren-c as well.. I need four of those

I was just thinking that.

Ben

[usmcapc27]

Wayne J can you adjust my count from one to 2 please

Ben and IGotUbaby

http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1066

wjohn may have some more ren-c ready to go. i just got 4 from him last week!

[AaronG]

I'll take 2 also.

[WakeFan]

I'll take 2.

[Aurbo99]

1 Please

****Edit 24 Dec 2007*****

Wayne, Could you amend my request to 2 please.

[cobraman44]

I will take 2

[NogginBoink]

Pencil me in for two, please.

[RichF]

Put RichF down for 1

[kmc123]

I'd like 2 boards please. Do you know the ETA? Do you need me to PayPal you in advance?

[jimr625]

Add me to the list. I need 1 as well.

[Wayne J]

I'd like 1 board please. Do you know the ETA? Do you need me to PayPal you in advance?

The boards will be ordered 1/14/08 with a 4 week lead time. Yes payment in advance, but not until I have a definate price. Keep an eye on the first post for updates. :wink:

[tnorman]

Two for me please.

Thomas

[Penfold]

Put me down for one as well.

[XmasInGalt]

Wayne,

Please put me down for 2.

Thanks.

[Penfold]

Wayne can you increase my order by 1 bring my total requesting up to two. Sorry for any inconvience this may cause :( .

Just thought about how it would be nice to have a spare for the one day that i go on to four boards if that day should ever come.

[Toaster]

Ok.. I need a little help here guys - I'm a little out of the loop..

I have a total of 4 of Brians 595 boards... So as I understand it I'll need a RENC for each of those boards (4 total since I have 4 of the 595 boards)... And will I need 1 or 2 of these RENT boards?

THANKS

[random_rodder]

As I understand it:

One Ren-C per 595/Grinch

One Ren-T per 2 595/Grinch

That's what I have purchased. I have not built them yet (except 2 595's), but the above is my understanding of the capacities of the Ren-C/Re-T boards.

[Wayne J]

You only need 1 Ren-T for as many Ren-C's you can hook to one serial port.

[jimr625]

I was missed on the updated pre order list. I had a post above, but I was going to need to post again anyway because I want to make my order for two instead of one.

Sorry for the confusion and thanks,

[karaokekarnival]

Two please

[karaokekarnival]

Two please

[MonteryJack]

2 for MonteryJack please

[KS]

Two for me as well

[Toaster]

So it looks like I only need 1? Or do I need 2? :(

[Wayne J]

So it looks like I only need 1? Or do I need 2? :(

I don't know how many channels you plan on running per serial port, but with 4 converted 595 boards, I would use 2 Ren-T boards.

[teberle]

Wayne,

Put me down for 1.

Tony

Will there be a Ren-C coop possibly?

[wjohn]

RENC are available now, you dont need to wait for a COOP.

just PM me,

[Stgtech]

I would like to get 2 of the Ren-T boards please.

Thanks!

[Toaster]

I'm confused.

[Wayne J]

I'm confused.

you have 4 converted 595 boards. You should run no more than 128 channels per serial port for best results. You will need 1 Ren-T per serial port. So, two serial ports used = 2 Ren-T boards. :wink:

[rrowan]

Please add me to the list for 1 board

(So I can add dimming to a Grinch board, I'll PM WJohn about the Ren-C)

Thanks

Rick R.

[MrLights2000]

ill take one

just pm me if you wouldnt mind with info about how much and what not


danny

[JEEPGUY]

Wayne,

I'll take 1 please.

[jemerick]

Wayne,

I would like to request 2.

Thanks,
Jason

[stephenwolf]

2 for me please.

[scharbon]

Wayne,
I would like one REN-T please. Thanks.

Steve

[Toaster]

I'm confused.

you have 4 converted 595 boards. You should run no more than 128 channels per serial port for best results. You will need 1 Ren-T per serial port. So, two serial ports used = 2 Ren-T boards. :wink:

Then I'll take 2.... :D

[cobraman44]

Wayne can you change my order from 2 boards to 4 boards. That is 4 total for me.

[CP1]

Just curious... I thought I would need the RenT to run the Ranard 16 channel board. Someone in Chat now tells me they dont think I have to have it..... I am in the coop for 3 boards and parts kits... Will I need the RenT and if so how many ?
Chuck

[P. Short]

The Ren-T is not really needed for use with Ren-16 or Ren-24, unless you need the extra distance that you get from the RS232-RS485 conversion. If you don't need that conversion, you can get by with a DB-9 to RJ45 adaptor cable.

The primary use of the Ren-T is to provide the zero-crossing signal for the Ren-C and Ren-64 boards.

--

Phil

[Trip]

put me down for one please

[usmcapc27]

i would like to change my order from 2 to 4 please

[daviddth]

Forgive me for silly questions, but for 2 (or more) ren 64 boards I'd need just the 1 ren-t board as it is just providing the zero crossing signal, right?

if thats right, put me down for 2 as for the price I may as well get a spare :)

[Wayne J]

Forgive me for silly questions, but for 2 (or more) ren 64 boards I'd need just the 1 ren-t board as it is just providing the zero crossing signal, right?

if thats right, put me down for 2 as for the price I may as well get a spare :)

David, you are correct, BUT, it is suggested to only have 143 channels per serial port (2 ren64's).... so, you need 1 RenT per port used.

[daviddth]

ok but I'm only using it for the ZC signal, not power or anything else. Ah what the heck, please update the order to 4 boards. 1 for each port here & I guess Kev might be wanting them through the year so I'll get 2 spare.

Yep 4 boards please

[MrLights2000]

wayne could you put me down for one more board

thanks,

danny

[kylec]

2 please

[edrpepper]

2 for me please.

[Wayne J]

I have received a few PM's and this is brought up in the thread, so I will try to explain it. It seems a bit confusing of the amount of Ren-T pcb's one needs for their setup.

The Ren-T can provide the ZC signal for great number of channels of dimming. The problem is the amount of channels you can run on one serial port. A couple things dictate this. Vixen's time intervals, and the baud rate used.
This season has shown, that limiting to a 50ms interval with Vixen, and 143 channels @ 57600 baud per serial port is best. With that, you use one Ren-T per serial port used.

[ben]

Wayne I just looked and saw I have 2 RS232 ports, change me from 1 to 2.

Also, I can use it for Rs232 to RS485 AND ZC to a Ren-C right? both from the same board?

Ben

[shocker]

I can use it for Rs232 to RS485 AND ZC to a Ren-C right? both from the same board?

yes ben u can i use it for the ren 64

[ben]

I can use it for Rs232 to RS485 AND ZC to a Ren-C right? both from the same board?

yes ben u can i use it for the ren 64

I want it for the Ren-C. I wasn't positive you could do convert and ZC from the same board. I did some reading and it appears you can. Thanks for the help :)

Ben

[jmccoh]

Wayne,

I would like to Ren-T boards please.

Thanks,
Jim

[jeff.ott]

I'd like 2, please.

[RickeyS]

If I can still get in on this I'll take two please,
Thanks
Rick

[jeff.ott]

Well now I have another question that I can't seem to find the answer to. I have my 2- 595's powered via the cat5 cable coming from my parallel port on my PC. (added power to the parellel port) As I understand it, I will have to switch to the serial port from the parallel port for the Ren-C conversion of my 595's, correct? then I will have to add power back to the cat 5 cable. Will this cause a problem with the Ren-T and Ren-C boards? Can the 5 volts required to power the 595's pass from the PC power through both the Ren-T and then the 2 Ren-C's that I have to get to my two 595's? Wow, can't believe I got this all out. . . . Any help would be appreciated. Maybe this shold be posted somewhere else?

Thanks,

Jeff

[TonyK]

Two for me please

[Mudsculpter]

Well now I have another question that I can't seem to find the answer to. I have my 2- 595's powered via the cat5 cable coming from my parallel port on my PC. (added power to the parellel port) As I understand it, I will have to switch to the serial port from the parallel port for the Ren-C conversion of my 595's, correct? then I will have to add power back to the cat 5 cable. Will this cause a problem with the Ren-T and Ren-C boards? Can the 5 volts required to power the 595's pass from the PC power through both the Ren-T and then the 2 Ren-C's that I have to get to my two 595's? Wow, can't believe I got this all out. . . . Any help would be appreciated. Maybe this shold be posted somewhere else?

Thanks,

Jeff


There is no rule that says you can't get some cheap doorbell wire or speaker wire and run the 5v to each of the 595s to power the ren-c units that are connected to them.

By the way a discussion on a power supply is being held here
http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2082

[ibby1]

I would like two please!

Thanks,

Todd

[Wayne J]

I have to ask for everyones forgiveness. Thanks to wjohn pointing out my error. I corrected the first post of this thread with an updated channel count. I had stated that 128 channels @ 57600 with 50ms timing, per serial port was best. This has been brought to my attention to be incorrect. The correct channel count is 143 @ 57600 with 50ms timing.
Thanks wjohn. :)

[blickensderfer]

I would like 2 boards.

Thanks,
Dan

[joeberg]

Please put me down for 2 boards.

thanks,

Joeberg

[mval]

Please put me down for 2 boards

Thanks, Mike V.

[mahoo313]

I would like 2 boards please.

[Toaster]

Oooh... I'm getting excited. I just ordered my 4 RenC's, now I need my 2 RenT's from this coop, build everything, get all my 256 Olsen595 channels dimming, take all the lights down, store them for 10 months, and put them all back up!!! I can't wait! :)

Look at it this way, its not 10 months, its 10 electric bills, 10 mortgage payments, 10 telephone bills, etc.... And those seem to come in EVERY FREAKIN' DAY!?!? :D

[wbuehler]

LOL I like that post. Yes they do come in every day.

Bill

[joeberg]

Can you please increase my quantity from 2 REN-T's to a total of 4 Ren-T's?

thanks!

Joe

[Wayne J]

UPDATE

The prices of the pcb's have been placed in the first post. Payment info is there also.

Hopefully we can the funds out of the way quickly and get the order out.

:)

[mval]

Payment has been sent :)

Thanks, Mike

[Trip]

after seeing the final prices, I am going to go ahead and go two if that is fine.

payment sent.

[jeff.ott]

Remitted payment for 2 Ren-T's. thanks. . .

[JEEPGUY]

Payment sent for 1 Ren-T

[scharbon]

Thanks Wayne, Payment sent

Steve

[wbuehler]

Thanks Wayne

Payment Sent

Bill

[cobraman44]

Thanks Wayne

Payment sent for 4 Ren-T pcbs

[shocker]

could u update the list to show who as paid thanks!

[blickensderfer]

Payment Sent

Thanks,
Dan

[karaokekarnival]

payment sent

[Wayne J]

could u update the list to show who as paid thanks!

I am marking all who have paid in Green. :wink:

I would like to have all payments in before I place the order. 8)

[XmasInGalt]

Wayne, Sent payment for 4 (ordered 2, please increase from 2 to 4).

[coastermike]

I would like 2 boards if it's not too late.

Thanks,
Michael

[Wayne J]

I would like 2 boards if it's not too late.

Thanks,
Michael
added you in. :)

[Northern Lights]

Hi Wayne, if not too late would I be able to get 4 of these???

Thanks... Mark

[Wayne J]

Hi Wayne, if not too late would I be able to get 4 of these???

Thanks... Mark

added. :)

[AaronG]

Payment sent :D :D :D :D :D :D

[daviddth]

Paid for the 4 boards plus postage to down under. Thnaks heaps.

[ppohlman]

Payment sent for 2 boards. Thanks!!

[kmc123]

Payment sent for 3 boards.
Thank for all you are doing to get these for us!
-Kevin

[ben]

payment sent!

Ben

[Toaster]

Payment sent :)

[mrtinga]

Put me down for 2 please, thank you

Payment sent :D

[scubasteve]

Need 1, sending PM.

sS

[ikabod]

Put me down for 1.

payment sent.

[joeberg]

Payment sent for 5 boards. Please increase my quantity from 4 to 5 (need one for a friend)

thanks,

Joe

[jimr625]

Sorry kinda slow on sending the payment but it has been sent now.

Thanks,

[Wayne J]

COOP Closed.... Order has been placed. I will have shipping dates information in a few days.

I should have a few extras after I ship to everyone who participated in the COOP. Just send me a PM to check on availability and prices.

[Aurbo99]

Payment sent x2 for my request

Thanks Wayne

[Trip]

any news on the boards being delivered yet?

[Wayne J]

any news on the boards being delivered yet?

I checked last night and the estimated shipping date (to me) is 2/07/08, but I think they will arrive before that. As soon as I receive a shipping comfirmation, I will keep you guys updated.
Boxes are setting here and lables ready to print, just need the pcb's. :wink:

[Trip]

any news on the boards being delivered yet?

I checked last night and the estimated shipping date (to me) is 2/07/08, but I think they will arrive before that. As soon as I receive a shipping comfirmation, I will keep you guys updated.
Boxes are setting here and lables ready to print, just need the pcb's. :wink:

Good deal man, thanks for the update.

[Wayne J]

I just got the email that the pcb's have been shipped. I should see them in a few days, so maybe if my schedule allows, I will get them shipped out next week. :)

I will then see how many extras I have left, and distribute them in order the were requested until depleted.

[ppohlman]

Thanks Wayne for the update. I look forward to seeing them soon.

[Trip]

Awesome Wayne, I can't wait to get my hands on this thing so I can start some testing on my Ren64s

[Wayne J]

The wiki has the current BOM for the Ren-T, as well as assembly instructions.

http://christmasinshirley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ren-T_Assembly_Instructions

[deplanche]

I think I may have my wjohn and waynej all mixed up here. I PM'd wjohn asking for 2 of these, but if he is not the man for that, I will still need 2. So if there are any extras, I please let me know.

Thanks!

[Northern Lights]

Thanks very much for the update Wayne.

Greatly appreciated

Mark

[biffklg]

I think I may have my wjohn and waynej all mixed up here. I PM'd wjohn asking for 2 of these, but if he is not the man for that, I will still need 2. So if there are any extras, I please let me know.

Thanks!

WJOHN is the right guy to ask (for several different PCB's), but he is out of the country for the time being so he may not get back to you for a couple days.

[Wayne J]

Quote:
Originally Posted by deplanche http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19886#post19886)
I think I may have my wjohn and waynej all mixed up here. I PM'd wjohn asking for 2 of these, but if he is not the man for that, I will still need 2. So if there are any extras, I please let me know.

Thanks!


WJOHN is the right guy to ask (for several different PCB's), but he is out of the country for the time being so he may not get back to you for a couple days.

Actually, I am the guy that does the Ren-T. ;)



deplanche.... I have a list of people for thealotment of the extra pcb's. I can put you on this list.

For everyone.....

To be honest, I do believe the extras will be depleted before everyone who has requested them will get one. So, this leaves us with two choices.....
One will be to have another run of the Ren-T.

OR

Wait for the the Ren-T replacement (DIYC DPS) that is in testing.
This board will have the same function as the the Ren-T, but without the RS232/485 conversion (which is not a needed function in most setups anyways). This board also will have more power capabilities than the Ren-T, elimating the need for external power supplies or tapping into the PC power supply.

I will run another coop of the Ren-T, but I doubt very seriously if we can get the numbers up high enough to get the price of the current COOP run. My suggestion would be to wait for the new pcb.

[Wayne J]

The boards arrived today! I will start sorting and boxing them this evening. Hope to have them all out by the end of the week. :)

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3527/rent25fi5.th.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rent25fi5.jpg)

[Bakesbrownies]

Hi,
How soon will you know when the "extras" will be allocated? And if it helps, part of the reason I wanted a RenT was for the rs232/rs485 conversion.

[dnesci]

Wayne, If there is an extra Ren T at the end I am interested in one. Thanks.

[Wayne J]

I hope to have all this sorted out, by tomorrow night. I have to go through the list I already have, and we'll go from there. I will keep you guys up to date. :)

[kmc123]

Wayne - Thanks again!

I got the notice from PayPal that the USPS notice was sent in - I'm SOOOO anixous to get them!

I've got my SSR's and Ren64's built, so all I need before my first test is these boards! I'm going nuts :)

I'm hoping that since I'm in Charlotte, I get them pretty quickly!

Thanks again!

[Wayne J]

I just got done printing all the labels I had address for. I applied the labels to the boxes, and all that is left is to stuff them and drop them off at the post office. So hopefully guys I will have them all dropped in the mail on Thursday. :)

[ppohlman]

Wayne, Thanks for the update and being on top of this.

[Wayne J]

I sent out PM's to people that had requested orders from the extra pcb's left. I will fill these orders from the date requested, until the supply is depleted.

[Wayne J]

If you would like to get one of the remaining Ren-T pcb's, shoot me a PM. I have only a handful left. :)

[kmc123]

Thanks Wayne!!!
I got my 3 today - I am soooo happy! I have a weekend with almost nothing planned (Which is VERY rare for me) and I was crossing my fingers that they would get here by today!!!
Thanks again!

[Wayne J]

Only 2 left!

[AaronG]

I GOT Mine Today!!!!!!
Thanks WJ

[ppohlman]

Thanks Wayne! My two boards got here today as well.

[JEEPGUY]

Thanks Wayne! Mine just came in the mail.

[RickeyS]

Thanks Wayne, mine came today also.

Rickeys

[Trip]

Thanks Wayne, got mine, got it built and it's powering my Ren64s as we speak. Works like a champ.

[cobraman44]

Got mine over the weekend

Thanks Wayne!! Just have to wait for the parts coop and I will be all set.

[scharbon]

Got mine too Wayne - Thanks

Steve

[ikabod]

got mine thanks!

[biffklg]

Got mine today, should have them built later tonight...

[ben]

Got mine and going to order the parts tomorrow!

Ben

[Penfold]

I got my two yesterday. These boards are expertly crafted I might add too :-).

[mahoo313]

Thanks for the quick service ........... you are the best!!

[Bakesbrownies]

Received my board today. Thanks again. Tom

[WWNF911]

Got Mine today! Thanks Wayne! :)

[kmiller]

Got my boards the other day. Thanks for running the co-op

[dnesci]

Thanks again, got mine yesterday in great condition

[Northern Lights]

Got mine today.

Thanks again Wayne.

Mark

[blickensderfer]

I haven't received mine yet.. I wonder what is the hold up?

Dan

[Wayne J]

I haven't received mine yet.. I wonder what is the hold up?

Dan

Dan,
PM me the email address, name and shipping address you used with the paypal transaction. Let me see what I can find out.

Wayne

[Wayne J]

Dan,
PM me the email address, name and shipping address you used with the paypal transaction. Let me see what I can find out.

Wayne

Never mind, I found the info, tracking said it has been delivered (2/09/08 ).

So, I don't know what to say.

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Detailed Results:
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[blickensderfer]

Thanks for the tracking number.. The delivery address is to my place of work.. Too bad we are closed on Saturdays. So USPS has some answering because I didn't get them. I'll be stopping by the post office to see what's going on.

Thanks,
Dan

[Wayne J]

Thanks for the tracking number.. The delivery address is to my place of work.. Too bad we are closed on Saturdays. So USPS has some answering because I didn't get them. I'll be stopping by the post office to see what's going on.

Thanks,
Dan

No problem. Let me know how it goes and if I can be of any help.

[blickensderfer]

Well, after talking to the post office. They can't answer why or where my package is actually at. Since we are closed on Saturdays they couldn't deliver my package and it should of had the status of "Attempted Delivery" on Saturday and when it was delivered on Monday it should of been marked as delivered on that day. So needless to say. I didn't get my Ren-T borads and I still need 2 of them. So if you have 2 extra I would like to buy them from you. But this time I would like them shipped to my home PO Box address.

Let me know if you have any extra and I'll send you the money for them plus shipping.

Thanks,
Dan Blickensderfer