2008 XMUS/WJOHN CO-OP -> 16Ch Renard w/ SSR's

[xmus]

This PCB only co-op will close Feb 28th.

Details about the design can be found here:
http://www.ritzfam.com/xmus/

Prices will be similar to last time, each PCB will cost about $7 to $10 each plus shipping and paypal fees. (Price depends on volume).

I am not selling parts, but they will cost about $47 for each 16 channel dimming board. However if you participate in the parts co-op (by JaysonH) you might expect parts for around 30 each kit.

Shipping will be 2-3 day priority mail box with insurance and electronic delivery confirmation. This will cost about $4.60 to $6.50 per order depending on weight. International orders add $10 for me to drive to the post office, and the additional shipping fees. I can not insure international orders, and I will not be liable for shipping damage or loss to international locations. I will ship using "Global priority flat rate envelope" (7-10 days).

Paypal fees are approximately 1.3% plus 30 cents, and those exact fees will be passed onto you.

Do not send any money now. I will collect money in March, when prices are finalized.

WJOHN has agreed to support the REN16 COOP. He is involved with the RENARD C and RENARD 64 designs and general PCB support to DIYC over the last 12 months. WJOHN is a strong supporter of the REN16, having used them in his own displays in 2007.

Thank you,
Dave

here the list of people who ask for some!
name ------------- number ask
xmus---------------------30
kylec---------------------12
shocker-------------------6
kx5h----------------------10
maffeirw------------------10
tonypgst-----------------12
muttley-------------------10
MonteryJack --------------9
WakeFan------------------8
Mufassa-------------------8
RocketRick----------------8
Michael-------------------8
alwysrit2------------------13
ben-----------------------7
dhavard-------------------6
lundeby-------------------6
RavingLunatic-------------6
srm-----------------------6
Sloanhaus-----------------6
moose--------------------6
freeholdfreddy-------------6
AI-------------------------5
kmiller---------------------5
heilyman------------------4
wbuehler------------------4
Deast---------------------4
urjb-----------------------4
lemaster63----------------4
sadlpx--------------------4
litewizard-----------------4
rrowan-------------------4
edrpepper----------------4
aszelinski----------------3
Aurbo99------------------2
DennisB------------------6
NogginBoink--------------2
Brad---------------------8
ppohlman----------------1
rstehle------------------16
ikabod--------------------2
BillAd---------------------6
tbrenton-----------------10
Slick1983-----------------6
coastermike--------------9
van Helden---------------6
buck---------------------8
mrtinga-------------------4
WWNF911----------------8
mgauch------------------8
prof---------------------10
stripey horse-------------2
richkes15----------------10
scorpia-------------------5
scharbon-----------------2
Filament-----------------10
jimbo3301----------------5
ctmal--------------------4
rjoatman----------------13
sigtaulightning------------4
denysgt------------------5
mrwolfe------------------5
moneyhunter-------------10
Reddy_Kilowatt-----------8
MarkL--------------------4
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
so far-------------------441

[tconley]

Xmus just a side question is there any plans to update the PCB so it will pass the Zero cross through if it is comming down the cat5. This would make it easier to chain different renards without having to make sure the 16's are at the end of the chain.

[xmus]

Xmus just a side question is there any plans to update the PCB so it will pass the Zero cross through if it is comming down the cat5. This would make it easier to chain different renards without having to make sure the 16's are at the end of the chain.

I could do that, but then I would need to order proto PCB's, and buy parts for the proto's, and I'd expense that to the project...... (Total cost of about $200 split between everyone.

At this point the only change I'm making to the PCB is to add the "powered by Vixen" logo (If I can figure out how to, in Express PCB)

How many people would like to see the change above?

You guys realize that you would just need to solder a wire from "3" to "3" and "6" to "6" to accomplish this on todays design correct? (3 and 6 are near both RJ45 jacks)

That is what those pads are for.....

[Aurbo99]

Count me in for 2 pcbs please.

got bored sitting at work.. whipped this silky off for you..

not accurate or to size, but it can be done.

Cheers
Steve

[RocketRick]

Dave,

I'm a newbie to Christmas controls, but I'm a sucker for nifty electronics projects. I've always wanted to put together something to control a Halloween or Christmas light and/or animation setup, but lacked the time to design one from scratch. However, this design is much like what I would have chosen to design, had I had the time to do so.

Using RS485 communications seems like the best way to go, from a technical standpoint -- you can't beat the robustness of differential serial comms over twisted pair. The fact that the Renard design uses RS485 in a "daisy-chainable" fashion, *and* allows full dimming control on every channel, really sold me on this design. And as a bonus, having the SSRs on board in reasonable numbers seems like a much better setup than building a whole bunch of 4-outlet SSR boxes.

At "$7-$10 each plus shipping", I can afford to buy more boards than I will need up front, and then simply buy parts to populate them when I need them to expand. Please put me down for eight boards, and let me know the exact price when the time comes to pay for them.

Thanks for putting together this COOP!

- Rick Dickinson

[xmus]

Hi Rick, gotcha down. Your assumptions look good, yes, you can populate the boards later. All the various designs have their strengths and weaknesses, and I don't mean to talk negatively about other designs, they DO have there upsides, but I love having one robust enclosure for what would be 4 SSR enclosures. Obviously I loved the idea enough to put a LOT of time into this design and COOP! Again, the other designs are great....

[RavingLunatic]

Dave,

I wasn't so sure about you design when you first introduced it this year, I didn't really see the need of the on-board SSRs at the time but now with the addition of the Bazooka tube, I'm sold.

Count me in for 6 boards.


RL

[xmus]

Well you can thank BillAd for the tube idea, I agree, it is great to have everything in there tight like that. gotcha down.

[wbuehler]

XMUS

Can you put me down for 4 boards?

Thanks

Bill

[shocker]

can put me down for 2 !!

[xmus]

gotcha for 2 and 4.

[xmus]

For the record, I'm going to take some time (maybe this week) to write up a "how-to pass ZC through a XMUS board". It isn't that hard, but it requires some explanation.

[Michael]

I have 9 and will probably be getting 8 more pending on how they surive once I dig them out from under the ice and snow at the end of the season. So far the hardware is working fantastic.

- Michael

[xmus]

The 9 I have outdoors (And 1 indoors) are surviving well so far. No fuses blow, or GFI's tripped. 12V side is stable.... crossing my fingers :)

[urjb]

Put me down for (4)

Jon

[xmus]

Xmus just a side question is there any plans to update the PCB so it will pass the Zero cross through if it is comming down the cat5. This would make it easier to chain different renards without having to make sure the 16's are at the end of the chain.

Hi, the "Theory of operation" pdf has been updated, it now has a section on how to pass ZC through the XMUS board.

http://www.ritzfam.com/ChristmasMadness/Renardx16SSR/Release/

Let me know if you have any questions. But please start that on a new thread.


Thanks,
Dave

[Deast]

Put me down for 2. These lights will be a new project for me.

Dan

[shocker]

already ask for 2 put me down for 2 more total of 4

[DennisB]

I'd like 2 at this stage, can I have 2 PIC's programmed as well?

[xmus]

Yes I can program pics if it makes the difference between someone participating or not. But I do strongly encourage people to program their own pics.

http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=689

[heilyman]

I would like to buy 4 renard 16 with ssr PCBs, let me know how much. Thank you.

[AI]

5 Please AI

[shocker]

so where are we now in the coop

[xmus]

No idea, it closes Feb 28th, so I'm taking the relaxed approach :)
Are you volunteering to count? Put me down for 30.

[shocker]

name ------------- number ask
xmus---------------------30
AI--------------------------5
heilyman-----------------4
DennisB------------------2
shocker------------------5
Deast---------------------4
urjb-----------------------4
Michael-------------------8
Aurbo99------------------2
RocketRick---------------8
RavingLunatic-----------6
wbuehler-----------------4
MonteryJack ------------9
dhavard-----------------4
lundeby------------------6
ben-----------------------7
lemaster63-------------4
NogginBoink------------2
alwysrit2----------------7
cp1-----------------------3
Brad----------------------2
Sloanhaus---------------6
sadlpx--------------------4
aszelinski----------------3
kmiller---------------------5
kx5h----------------------10
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
so far-------------------154

[shocker]

Ask and you got it !!!

[xmus]

Dude, thanks for the smile. It has been a hard day at work. At least somebody is willing to jump in and pick up a shovel when they see the opportunity! Thanks.

[heilyman]

Do these come with a parts kit :?: Just so I can get the parts else were if I need to.

[xmus]

Do these come with a parts kit :?: Just so I can get the parts else were if I need to.

No parts.
You'll need to buy parts from mouser or digikey or similar.
Use the BOM to determine what to buy:
http://www.ritzfam.com/ChristmasMadness/Renardx16SSR/Release/

[MonteryJack]

I would like 9 please.

I look forward to getting em out there.

Used LOR equipment soon available.

LOL

[shocker]

Is there a limit u want to reach xmus

[xmus]

Is there a limit u want to reach xmus

Well just a big guess -> we are over 100 now, so we are nicely into quantity pricing. No goal, last year we ordered 184.... I just want everyone to have plenty of time to get their orders in, and adjust quantities if needed.

Hopefully with the document I published about how to pass ZC through the XMUS board, no modifications will be required to the PCB, so the only change I will make, is to add the silk screen for Vixen, and then there will be no development costs this round.

By the way, the ROV (ESD protection device for the 12v power rail) is in stock at mouser again.

[YSEN]

I am jumping in and getting excited about my first year of animated christmas lights. Put me down for 4 and let me know when I need to pay and how much. I can't wait to get started. I have read other sites trying to get ready for this and I haven't found anything that comes close to what I have learned so far on this site. I feel WAY more confident about doing this. I am sure I will have questions though.

[lundeby]

Six please!

This should solve my ad-hoc issues including driving a bunch of candy canes that didn't even get put up this year.

Bruce

[ben]

I am making a giant 20 foot tall Mega tree next year and these are the ticket! 5 colors 16 strings per color.

put me down for 5!

Ben

[ben]

Would it be worth me doing a parts COOP to go along with this? I need parts for mine and we all might as well get discounts for the high qty of parts. Let me check a few things out and see if I can do it.

Ben

[shocker]

Ben no offence but:
-you are only 14 year old
-dont have a credit card

this is my opinion only , we should wait for at the end of the pcb coop to be sure to have the maxium people in it !

[ben]

Ben no offence but:
-you are only 14 year old
-dont have a credit card

this is my opinion only , we should wait for at the end of the pcb coop to be sure to have the maxium people in it !

I am kinda taking offence to this. I understand where you are coming from but that is not to say I don't have money. I keep a cash reserve of $150-200 in a bank acount at all times. I already put my Grandpas check in the bank for these. Don't worry.

Ben

[xmus]

Ben/Shocker others:

Please move parts coop discussion to here:
http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1815

[ben]

Ben/Shocker others:

Please move parts coop discussion to here:
http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1815


Yes I do not want to clutter this thread.

Ben

[lemaster63]

Put me down for 4 please.

Bill

[MonteryJack]

I don't see a transformer so for these boards, what are the options to providing the 5V DC current to the board?

Ren-T
External/Old Computer P/S
etc.
???

[Michael]

For power supply I use a Radio Shack 12v 1.5amp regulated wall wart and wire it inline with the CAT5 cable. That will drive a string of about 8-10 boards on one serial port if placed in the middle of the run.

- Michael

[NogginBoink]

I'll take 2 please.

[xmus]

I don't see a transformer so for these boards, what are the options to providing the 5V DC current to the board?

Ren-T
External/Old Computer P/S
etc.
???

Many ways to provide 5V, there is a (long) writeup in the theory of operation document (link in first post). Let me know if you have any questions.

[AI]

I don't see a transformer so for these boards, what are the options to providing the 5V DC current to the board?

Ren-T
External/Old Computer P/S
etc.
???
Most of us have put 5 volt regulators on the boards and supply the boards with 12 volts thru the CAT 5 cable. AI

[alwysrit2]

Add 6 for me!

Time to go shop for a Pic Programmer

-Don

[MonteryJack]

I don't see a transformer so for these boards, what are the options to providing the 5V DC current to the board?

Ren-T
External/Old Computer P/S
etc.
???
Most of us have put 5 volt regulators on the boards and supply the boards with 12 volts thru the CAT 5 cable. AI

Ahhh...I'm starting to track better now. I found http://christmasinshirley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Renard_Standard_Setup that answers that too. I had it stuck in my head that if you sent the 12VDC down the cat5, that you would not be able to do ZC. I think at this point, I just need to get some boards and electronics in to do some soldering and then melt it until it works!!!

[xmus]

there are 8 wires in the cat 5 (the theory of operation doc goes into great detail on this, just a review here):

2 for serial
2 for power (12v)
2 for ground
2 for spare.

The spares can go 1 to power one to ground or for ZC.

(Again, high level summary)

[WakeFan]

canceled coop request

[alwysrit2]

Add 6 for me!

Time to go shop for a Pic Programmer

-Don

Oh, convinced a friend into one....Make it 7 for me!
Thanks
-Don

[Brad H]

One for me please!

[Sloanhaus]

I need 8 boards

[alwysrit2]

Can someone tell me the physical size of the pcb. I am going to start watching for an enclosure.
Thanks - Don

[RavingLunatic]

I believe 7"x3"

You can find all the info you would ever want about this PCB in the link that xmus provided in the first post.

Check out the theory of operation, very informative.

[ben]

I only need 4 now. My lovely Secret Santa gave me a 595 and 16SSR's!!

Ben

[sadlpx]

I've followed through the other forums.
Like what i see in this board.

Put me in for 4 boards.

[aszelinski]

Please put me down for 2 boards, and if you can supply the PIC's (6) and program them for me it would be greatly appreciated. I do plan on programing my own in the future but I am totally new to this and would feel better having someone who has done it doing it.
Thanks

[shocker]

it is not hard to program them buy something like this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300151513607&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=300133843240&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

and if you stumble across something just ask on the forum

[aszelinski]

Thanks Shocker

[xmus]

Hey All, the quantities are looking great, we are definitely into good quantity pricing, very nice. I'll program pics for people if absolutely required. But I prefer not to... I think it is always best if you can do it yourself for upgrades/debug/etc, but if you just cant, I'll do it for an optional donation. More on that when the time comes.

Thanks,
Dave

[Brad H]

Another one for me please (total now 2).

[Deast]

EDIT: I would like to change my order from 2 to 4. I decided that I want an extra one for myself, and my brother wants 1 for his house.


Old number: 2

New number: 4

[kmiller]

I'll take 5.

[ben]

I am such a pain in the butt. I have been going back and forth with myself and decided to stick to my old plan and keep this Olsen as a backup. I would like 5 board (again)

old #: 4

new#: 5

Ben

[AI]

I am such a pain in the butt. I have been going back and forth with myself and decided to stick to my old plan and keep this Olsen as a backup. I would like 5 board (again)

old #: 4

new#: 5

Ben

Ben; your such a pain in the butt :lol: Happy Holidays and Marry XMUS
AI

[xmus]

Ben, no worries, I'm not even tallying currently, I wont start counting until probably mid February, so I can get a ballpark cost for everyone... the quantities are already good, thats all that matters for price.

[ben]

Ben, no worries, I'm not even tallying currently, I wont start counting until probably mid February, so I can get a ballpark cost for everyone... the quantities are already good, thats all that matters for price.

so I can move my number around some more :lol:

[xmus]

no problem ben, you have until feb 20th to make up your mind!

[aszelinski]

I would like to change my order from 2 to 3 boards.

Thanks

3 Boards Total

[kx5h]

Count me in for 10.
I've been interested for over a year. Built my first 595 a couple of weeks ago and have a couple of dozen boards ready for etching. This is a blast. I'm hooked.
-- Buddy

[WakeFan]

Please remove me from this coop. Thanks, and sorry. I edited my prior post as well.

[CP1]

Well I have been reading and talking with some of you and I guess Im going to jump in with both feet. As long as you guys are willing to put up with me and asking sometimes might seem to be stupid questions. Put me in for 3 boards. Uh, I may need to have the PICS programmed also but will do alot of reading before getting the parts so we will see.
Thanks,
Chuck

[wbuehler]

The only stuipd question that you can ask is one that you do not ask

Bill

[xmus]

Chuck, no worries, this is a helpful crowd, you'll do fine. Just start early if you have no technical background, don't wait until October to figure this all out!

[CP1]

Thanks alot for the fast comments. I figure if I can put the ramsey FM transmitter together then maybe I could tackle this too. Only problem I can forsee so far is making the circut board as I have never tried to make one and have nothing to do it with so far.
Chuck

[ben]

Thanks alot for the fast comments. I figure if I can put the ramsey FM transmitter together then maybe I could tackle this too. Only problem I can forsee so far is making the circut board as I have never tried to make one and have nothing to do it with so far.
Chuck

Maybe I read this wrong but this COOP is the Printed circuit board. You can buy on eo fthese and put the parts on it instead of having to make it.

Ben

[Wayne J]

Thanks alot for the fast comments. I figure if I can put the ramsey FM transmitter together then maybe I could tackle this too. Only problem I can forsee so far is making the circut board as I have never tried to make one and have nothing to do it with so far.
Chuck

CP1... the Ramsey is a good unit, I use one myself. Here is a thread about it and some assembly tips with pics.
I also reccommend that you purchase a PIC programmer. If you have someone program the pic's for you and you need to do a firmware change, then you will have to send them out to have this done. I have done programming for other members, but do think everyone should have their own. :)
here is the link for the ramsey.....
http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=199

search around for programmers, ie, PicKit1 and PicKit2, some use a JDM also. There are many threads about them. ;)

[CP1]

Do you mean that the board comes already etched? Wow that would be GREAT!

[Wayne J]

Do you mean that the board comes already etched? Wow that would be GREAT! Yes the board is etched, has solder mask, and is silkscreened with component outlines. You need only to populate it. :wink:

[CP1]

THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER!!!!!!!!!

[ben]

THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER!!!!!!!!!
you are still at the icing on teh cake. Wait till you see what ll the members stuck in the cake and the drinks. We spiked them with triacs and optos ;)

Ben

[xmus]

THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER!!!!!!!!!

Check out the very first post in this thread, on "page 1" of this topic, you will see pictures of the PCB you are trying to purchase.

[ben]

ok, I want 7 controllers. I decided to go with 2 more Ren16's instead of a Ren24 since my center pole used more lights than I thought. Last change.... I swear :lol:

7 please.

Ben

[shocker]

at 154 how much would the board cost xmus

[xmus]

at 154 how much would the board cost xmus

quantity 154? Is that where we are at? I thought we were higher. Something around $8 I would guess (not including shipping) each.

[CP1]

Please remove my request for 3 16 channel rens. I am going to go with 2 24's instead
Thanks,
Chuck

[ben]

I do I need to get more then ? :P

Ben

[shocker]

name ------------- number ask
xmus---------------------30
AI--------------------------5
heilyman-----------------4
DennisB------------------2
shocker------------------10
Deast---------------------4
urjb-----------------------4
Michael-------------------8
Aurbo99------------------2
RocketRick---------------8
RavingLunatic-----------6
wbuehler-----------------4
MonteryJack ------------9
dhavard-----------------4
lundeby------------------6
ben-----------------------7
lemaster63-------------4
NogginBoink------------2
alwysrit2----------------7
kylec---------------------12
Brad----------------------2
Sloanhaus---------------6
sadlpx--------------------4
aszelinski----------------3
kmiller---------------------5
kx5h----------------------10
maffeirw-----------------10
WakeFan----------------8
tonypgst-----------------10
Mufassa-------------- ---8
muttley------------------10
srm------------------------6
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
so far-------------------220

[xmus]

You guys crack me up :)
I need to learn to slow down and be lazy more often.
(Wally would call it "strategic incompetence")
Well done!

[kylec]

put me down for 12 :lol:

[notyou]

In researching this board, it seams that the most popular and documented way to connect the power to the board is through a single 15 (or 20) amp circuit, which is then "daisy chained" between the first 8 channels and the second 8.

Is there anyone who is using 2 seperate 15 (or 20) amp circuits to power the board -- one for first 8 channels, and the second for the second 8 channels?

In reviewing the design, it appears that this could easily be done -- but was wondering if there is a reason against doing this?

Thank

[xmus]

In researching this board, it seams that the most popular and documented way to connect the power to the board is through a single 15 (or 20) amp circuit, which is then "daisy chained" between the first 8 channels and the second 8.

Is there anyone who is using 2 seperate 15 (or 20) amp circuits to power the board -- one for first 8 channels, and the second for the second 8 channels?

In reviewing the design, it appears that this could easily be done -- but was wondering if there is a reason against doing this?

Thank

I agree with you, it would appear the traces on the PCB could handle 20 amps on each side.... but i haven't exploded, i mean, experimented with that yet, so I'm not sure we know for 100% sure.

[jsigone]

Put me down for 10 - thanks

[WakeFan]

Put me back in for 8, can't pass this up

[tonypgst]

Please put me in for 10.
**Edit 1/4/08- Added 4 to my original request.

Thank you very much!!

Regards,

[Mufassa]

Ill Take 8.

2008 will be first year but no reason not to jump in with both feet!! Wife let me get $500 worth of lights at after Christmas sales.. Now I just need to power them!

--Greg

[muttley]

and with a deep breath, I plunge in head first.

10 boards please.

I'll probably only use 2-3 the first year, but I dance with the one who brung me. plus I'm getting to old to learn new tricks.

Neil

[srm]

Could you put me down for 6 boards

Thanks & Regards,

Stephen

All the way from Australia.

[YSEN]

I know it get's difficult with all the changes, but I would like to add to my original request of 4. I would like to add 2 more boards for a total of 6 boards.. Thanks!!!

[shocker]

name ------------- number ask
xmus---------------------30
kylec---------------------12
shocker------------------10
kx5h----------------------10
maffeirw-----------------10
tonypgst-----------------10
muttley------------------10
MonteryJack ------------9
WakeFan----------------8
Mufassa-------------- ---8
RocketRick---------------8
Michael-------------------8
alwysrit2----------------7
ben-----------------------7
dhavard-----------------6
lundeby------------------6
RavingLunatic-----------6
srm------------------------6
Sloanhaus---------------6
moose--------------------6
freeholdfreddy-----------6
AI--------------------------5
kmiller---------------------5
heilyman-----------------4
wbuehler-----------------4
Deast---------------------4
urjb-----------------------4
lemaster63-------------4
sadlpx--------------------4
litewizard------------------4
rrowan---------------------4
edrpepper---------------4
aszelinski----------------3
Aurbo99------------------2
DennisB------------------2
NogginBoink------------2
Brad----------------------2
ppohlman-----------------1
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
so far-------------------247

[xmus]

You guys are awesome :) Keep up the good work ! :)

[edrpepper]

Can you put me down for 4 boards please.

[moose]

I'll take 6!

[rrowan]

Please add 4 boards for me.

Thanks

Rick R.

[freeholdfreddy]

Please put me in for 6 boards. Thanks

[litewizard]

Please put me down for 4 boards!

Thanks, Gary

[ben]

Hey Xmus. I am working on a board that will run power to the Cat5 and clean things up a bit. What pins on the RS232 port correspond to the RJ45. And what 3 pins are plus 12V and ground? I figured I will just ask instead of guessing with the PDF that kina confused me.

Ben

[xmus]

Hey Xmus. I am working on a board that will run power to the Cat5 and clean things up a bit. What pins on the RS232 port correspond to the RJ45. And what 3 pins are plus 12V and ground? I figured I will just ask instead of guessing with the PDF that kina confused me.

Ben

Hey Ben,

please start a new thread, this is for coop activity.

[ben]

http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=16322#16322

[ppohlman]

Can you put me down for 1? Thanks

[shocker]

name ------------- number ask
xmus---------------------30
kylec---------------------12
shocker------------------10
kx5h----------------------10
maffeirw-----------------10
tonypgst-----------------10
muttley------------------10
MonteryJack ------------9
WakeFan----------------8
Mufassa-------------- ---8
RocketRick---------------8
Michael-------------------8
alwysrit2----------------7
ben-----------------------7
dhavard-----------------6
lundeby------------------6
RavingLunatic-----------6
srm------------------------6
Sloanhaus---------------6
moose--------------------6
freeholdfreddy-----------6
AI--------------------------5
kmiller---------------------5
heilyman-----------------4
wbuehler-----------------4
Deast---------------------4
urjb-----------------------4
lemaster63-------------4
sadlpx--------------------4
litewizard------------------4
rrowan---------------------4
edrpepper---------------4
aszelinski----------------3
Aurbo99------------------2
DennisB------------------2
NogginBoink------------2
Brad----------------------2
ppohlman-----------------1
rstehle---------------------13
ikabod---------------------2
BillAd----------------------6
BuzzLightyear-----------8
Slick1983-----------------6
coastermike--------------9
van Helden----------------6
buck-----------------------8
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
so far-------------------305

[rstehle]

Hi,
Put me down for 13 of the boards.

Thanks,
Randy

[ikabod]

Pls. put me down for 2 and I will need preprogrammed pics.

[BillAd]

Dave,

6 boards for me, thank-you.

Bill

[BuzzLightyear]

Time to jump in feet first, I'd like 8 please.

Thanks,
Buzz

[Slick1983]

Dave,
Put me down for six (6) boards, please.

Hey, I'm glad there's no admission price to YouTube, because I'd owe a bunch! Really enjoy you videos and will be relying on them throughout this year!!
Thanks

[coastermike]

Please put me down for 9 boards.

Thanks,
Michael

[van Helden]

count me in for 6 (six) please.

[buck]

Im good for 8.


Thanks
Buck

[mrtinga]

I would like to have 4 pcbs. Thanks

[shocker]

name ------------- number ask
xmus---------------------30
kylec---------------------12
shocker------------------10
kx5h----------------------10
maffeirw-----------------10
tonypgst-----------------10
muttley------------------10
MonteryJack ------------9
WakeFan----------------8
Mufassa-------------- ---8
RocketRick---------------8
Michael-------------------8
alwysrit2----------------7
ben-----------------------7
dhavard-----------------6
lundeby------------------6
RavingLunatic-----------6
srm------------------------6
Sloanhaus---------------6
moose--------------------6
freeholdfreddy-----------6
AI--------------------------5
kmiller---------------------5
heilyman-----------------4
wbuehler-----------------4
Deast---------------------4
urjb-----------------------4
lemaster63-------------4
sadlpx--------------------4
litewizard------------------4
rrowan---------------------4
edrpepper---------------4
aszelinski----------------3
Aurbo99------------------2
DennisB------------------2
NogginBoink------------2
Brad----------------------2
ppohlman-----------------1
rstehle---------------------13
ikabod---------------------2
BillAd----------------------6
BuzzLightyear-----------8
Slick1983-----------------6
coastermike--------------9
van Helden----------------6
buck-----------------------8
mrtinga-------------------4
WWNF911---------------4
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
so far-------------------313

[WWNF911]

Please put me down for 4 pcb's.

Thanks

[xmus]

FYI,

All co-op participants, please review this thread:

http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18454#18454

[wjohn]

wow, 313 - that is a lot of Blinky Blink!!!

Gotta love this board.

[shocker]

wjohn when are you going to close the coop

and what kind of price do we have to expect at over 300

can you post your condition as for the payment, shipping , etc...

[mgauch]

Looks like a great board
Please put me down for 8.

Thanks

[muttley]

Wjohn, let us know if there is an opportunity to save some shipping and get some of your other offerings. I am still on the fence about getting an LEDTricks, but combined shipping may push me over :P

[prof]

Count me in for 10 boards.
Thanks

[wjohn]

Muttley, and all

Xmus had orginally quoted that

prices will be similar to last time, each PCB will cost about $7 to $10 each plus shipping and paypal fees. (Price depends on volume).

I dont see that we wont be able to get down to that price, I'll work with my manufacturer to do the best we can. Combining shipping with some other boards, at the same time, is fine with me.

The current End Date for the Coop is Feb 28, I'll keep to that schedule. At the rate we are going, I expect we could hit the 500+ boards and get the price down to low end of the range.

The boards will be ROHS, 2 oz copper, up from 1 oz copper last year. this will give the 'heavy' users a little bit more safety margin on the tracks.

Thanks to Xmus for getting us started, I am looking forward to having more XMUS16s in my yard this year.

John.

[DennisB]

Sweet, I'm glad you're in on this John, makes it easier for us ozzies.

I guess I'll increase my original 2 boards to 6 boards just for fun.

Now I guess you'll have to provide a Futurlec parts equivalent John?

Dennis

[muttley]

I dont see that we wont be able to get down to that price, I'll work with my manufacturer to do the best we can. Combining shipping with some other boards, at the same time, is fine with me.
John.

sounds like a winner Wjohn.
depending on the price point we hit and shipping charges I may increase my order,

Neil

[avatar-it]

yeah after sitting down with john today gotta say looking at the older version they are very nice.

put me down for 2 boards.

Peter

[wjohn]

Now I guess you'll have to provide a Futurlec parts equivalent John?

Dennis

Np at all Dennis,

Already working on it!

[tonypgst]

Looking over my plans, I want to ensure I have some wiggle room. Please add two more to my request. That will make a total of 12 boards for me.

Tonypgst = 12 boards total.

Thanks,

[adamsane]

Withdrawn for the time being. Looking for more info.

[stripey_horse]

put me down for 2 boards

and as im in aus land.. a coop on parts could be handy..

btw.. i do have my HUGE countdown clock working (well the first 3 digits..)

im expecting to have the rest (full 8 digits) working soon. (damm solid core cat5)

u can find full source code that works (its been tested) in my other posts

[shocker]

name ------------- number ask
xmus---------------------30
kylec---------------------12
shocker-------------------10
kx5h----------------------10
maffeirw------------------10
tonypgst-----------------10
muttley-------------------10
MonteryJack --------------9
WakeFan------------------8
Mufassa-------------------8
RocketRick----------------8
Michael-------------------8
alwysrit2------------------7
ben-----------------------7
dhavard-------------------6
lundeby-------------------6
RavingLunatic-------------6
srm-----------------------6
Sloanhaus-----------------6
moose--------------------6
freeholdfreddy-------------6
AI-------------------------5
kmiller---------------------5
heilyman------------------4
wbuehler------------------4
Deast---------------------4
urjb-----------------------4
lemaster63----------------4
sadlpx--------------------4
litewizard-----------------4
rrowan-------------------4
edrpepper----------------4
aszelinski----------------3
Aurbo99------------------2
DennisB------------------6
NogginBoink--------------2
Brad---------------------2
ppohlman----------------1
rstehle------------------13
ikabod--------------------2
BillAd---------------------6
BuzzLightyear-------------8
Slick1983-----------------6
coastermike--------------9
van Helden---------------6
buck---------------------8
mrtinga-------------------4
WWNF911----------------4
mgauch------------------8
prof---------------------10
stripey horse-------------2
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
so far-------------------347

[shocker]

please check the list to see if the quantity and your name is correct.

[richkes15]

please add me in for 10 (ten) boards. After doing alot of reading I'm going to jump in with both feet. This will be my first year for blinky flashy.

[tonypgst]

Shocker, you listed me for 10, I've updated to ask for a total of 12 now.

Thanks,

[scorpia]

Looks like my post got renamed in the move,

2 for me please.

Peter

[shocker]

ok i have put the update list on the first post if any change just say it i will do it no problem

[moneyhunter]

I was just wondering...now that wjohn is taking care of the coop for the renard 16 boards, does this mean they will be shipping from Australia? If so, will this increase the shipping cost as previously stated in the first post? Thanks!

[shocker]

wjohn is absent for 2 week, as for the shipping i dont think it will change much

[jmccoh]

wjohn is absent for 2 week, as for the shipping i dont think it will change much

Wait a minute - what's going on here? There's no such thing as 2 weeks absence when it comes to exterior holiday illumination.

What if I had an immediate need for some SSR boards? What if I had some questions on the Ren-C's boards I just recieved? (Don't laugh 'cause I do).

[scorpia]

Wait a minute - what's going on here? There's no such thing as 2 weeks absence when it comes to exterior holiday illumination.

What if I had an immediate need for some SSR boards? What if I had some questions on the Ren-C's boards I just recieved? (Don't laugh 'cause I do).

well i would say how many SSR boards do yo need and go ahead and ask the question in the renard forums. theres lots of people who know alot about it.

Peter

[shocker]

well u could take plane ticket and go ask wjohn in the fiji lol

[scharbon]

wJohn,

---Edit---
I am out - I have changed my plans for layout

----------

Steve

[xmus]

Hi All,
I just got my account configured, so I'll be notified when you PM me, and post to this thread..... Been absent for a while (email notifications stopped when the site moved).
Anyway, PM me if you have any questions. Or post here if you question is specifically for this coop.

[Filament]

This will be my first year with computer controlled lights for Christmas; I have done Halloween displays with pneumatics with simple electronic triggers. I love the electronic aspect of the Christmas light display.

I have spent a lot of time researching on which board to use; taking into account my display layout, easy of use, controllability, and support.

The Xmus 16Ch Renard seems it will work the best for my needs. Count me in for 10 (ten) boards, just advise me on the total cost and date of payment.

[srm]

Hi XMUS,
can you update the link with the new web-site, its not working.

Regards,

stephen.


FYI,

All co-op participants, please review this thread:

http://www.christmasinshirley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18454#18454

[shocker]

http://www.ritzfam.com/xmus/ is that what u are looking for?

[WakeFan]

Hi XMUS,
can you update the link with the new web-site, its not working.

Regards,

stephen.

Regards,
The new link to that is http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2296

[rstehle]

I need to update my order quantity for the Ren 16 boards to 16.

[BuzzLightyear]

I need to cancell my order for 10 boards as I have come to realize outboard SSR's are going to work better for my layout.

Thanks Buzz

[Sloanhaus]

Can you please change Brad to 8 please. Thanks Brad

[WWNF911]

I need to cancell my order for 10 boards as I have come to realize outboard SSR's are going to work better for my layout.

Thanks Buzz

You sure you don't want a couple of these for your Mega tree? :)

[tbrenton]

wJohn,

I am in for 10 Ren16s

Tim

[jimbo3301]

Helllo

Please add me to you list for 3 boards. I am new to this hobby and looking forward to animating my 2008 Christmas display.

Thanks!

[alwysrit2]

wJohn,
Please increase my order to 13 Ren16's.
If it is possible, I would also like to get 4 of the DC SSR boards, 1 Ren-C board and 2 LEDTrik Boards.
Thanks
-Don

[WWNF911]

WELCOME jimbo3301!!!!

Have you seen these?
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1953

[wjohn]

Hello to all,

I am back after surviving the Cyclone Gene in FIJI, and will start to prepare this COOP for close at the end of the month.

I reckon the PCBs will be a nice price, given the level of interest in the board shown by the Forum members

[ppohlman]

Welcome back John! I'm glad that you arrived without problems. Thanks for your efforts in this Co-Op.

[ctmal]

Can you put me down for 2?

[wbuehler]

Welcome back John

Bill

[rjoatman]

Wjohn,
Looks like I'm going to jump in with both feet.
Please put me down for 13 Ren 16's
Thanks
Bob

[Sloanhaus]

Hey John,

You have a brad down and a sloanhaus down, I think that I might have given you two different names. Basically I need 8 boards, so you may want to double check the Brad as I probably signed one of my requests with my real name Brad. Good thing it's Friday.

[shocker]

Well I have check the member list and there is a Brad who as order some ren16 so id it is you who change your login name just tell us, thanks!

[Sloanhaus]

No I didnt change my login, thanks for checking, I am confirming 8 boards for Sloanhaus

[WWNF911]

Wjohn,
Looks like I'm going to jump in with both feet.
Please put me down for 13 Ren 16's
Thanks
Bob

2 posts since Nov 2007? Thats pretty stealthy. Welcome. I grew up in Widefield!

Leon

[jimbo3301]

Hello

Please increase my order of boards from 3 to 5. Thanks for your willingness to do this!

Jim

[sigtaulightning]

I guess I want 4 of these boards. If the totals were correct when I posted this it should bring the group up to 400. Wow that is a lot of boards. Again I only want 4!!!

[denysgt]

Put me down for 5 boards ;-)

Denys

[mrwolfe]

I too would be interested in 5 boards.

Thanks in advance

[ctmal]

Quick question: Are these boards only available during the coop? In other words, If I decide say in September that I want more am I out of luck or will some be available(trying to decide whether I should get more or not just in case).

[WWNF911]

Quick question: Are these boards only available during the coop? In other words, If I decide say in September that I want more am I out of luck or will some be available(trying to decide whether I should get more or not just in case).

Not sure. I would advise in this case to get more boards than you need. The cost is not that much. Later if you decide you'll need more you can populate the boards as needed. (That is where the majority of cost will be. Then all you have to worry about is back ordered items needed to populate) If the boards are not available though,... you may be out of luck.

Leon

[ctmal]

That's what I'm thinking too.

WJOHN, can you change me from 2 to 4 boards?

Thanks,
Chris

[WakeFan]

Wjohn in another thread said he was planning on stocking the boards.

I will hold a stock of the REN16 after the COOP, as per normal. Quantities will flucuate during the year and ramp up again towards Xmas!

John.

[moneyhunter]

Well here I go...please put me down for 10. (My wife if going to killlllll me!). Looks like the total count will now be 424...does that mean the boards will go for 1.50 each?? Just kidding! Thanks for doing the coop!

moneyhunter

[Reddy_Kilowatt]

Put me down for 8 please. Thanks!
-Craig

[MarkL]

Put me down for 4 boards please.

Mark

[WWNF911]

Why build one when you can build two for twice the price?
Original post from 1/17/2008

Please put me down for 4 pcb's.
Thanks
Please put me down for 8.
***2/24/08 - Added 4 to my original request***

Thanks

Leon

[scorpia]

OK,

have been thinking. whats the old saying. why build 1 when you can build 2 at twice the price.

so put me down for 5, up from my original 2 boards. 1 might end up being a present for my sick boss.

Peter

[ikabod]

pls. put me down for additional 2 .

Ikabod total = 4

thanks

[dhavard]

Just wondering if the thread has closed yet. Just trying to keep in touch so I know when to send payment. Thanks for all the hard work!!

[shocker]

ill will be out for vacation till 9 mars 2008 and I didnt get any news from Wjohn so we have to wait for him to reappear lol

[wjohn]

Ok, Looks like we have a fairly full list of COOP participants.

Next Steps,

Confirm participants (the COOP has been open awhile and people change their needs) - due date 8 Mar

Confirm prices (based on numbers) 10 Mar

Request payment - 16 mar

Submit order for processing 17 Mar

Bulk order shipped to me, End March

Individual orders sent to COOP participants NLT Mid April.

[wjohn]

Not sure. I would advise in this case to get more boards than you need. The cost is not that much. Later if you decide you'll need more you can populate the boards as needed. (That is where the majority of cost will be. Then all you have to worry about is back ordered items needed to populate) If the boards are not available though,... you may be out of luck.

Leon

I will hold extra boards after to COOP, but to be fair, they will be at a different price as I wont be ordering lots of 400 ;-)

[Mufassa]

WJohn,

Not sure how you want confirmation (Here, PM, etc) But Here is mine! I am still in for 8 boards. Thanks!

--Greg

[rjoatman]

WJohn,

I'm still in for 13 Ren 16 boards

Thanks
Bob

[sigtaulightning]

yep I am still in also 4 boards please.

[litewizard]

I'm also still in for four boards.
Thank you XMUS and WJOHN

Gary

[scorpia]

es,

confirming 5 boards here.

peter

[ctmal]

I'm still in for 4.

Thanks.

[ben]

Still in !!

Ben

[rstehle]

I originaly put in for 13 boards, but I would like to revise that to 16

Thanks!

[moneyhunter]

Wjohn/Xmus

Still in for all 10 of my boards....thanks!

moneyhunter

[BillAd]

Wjohn,

Still anxiously wanting 6 boards, thanks!

(I'll be out of the country March 16 - 20 so if you could advise the cost as early as possible that would be great so that I don't miss out)

Bill

[wbuehler]

Still in for 4 PCB's here

Thanks

Bill

[dhavard]

still in for 6 here

[tonypgst]

I'll assume we will get a PM to confirm the number of boards we want, but just in case, I am still in for my 12 boards.

[denysgt]

Still in , but like to revise for 6 instead of 5

;-)

Denys

[srm]

Hi John,

I'm still in for 6 boards.

thanks & Regards,

Stephen.

[prof]

Still in fo 10 boards.

Thanks
Prof

[WWNF911]

Confirmed, still in for 8.

Why am I shouting? :oops:

[aszelinski]

Confirm me for 3 boards

Thanks

[tbrenton]

Still in fo 10 boards.

Thanks
TIm

[MarkL]

I'm still in for my 4.

Mark

[ppohlman]

STill in for 1 board. Thanks.

[maffeirw]

Still in for 10

[mrtinga]

I'm still in for 4 boards. Thanks

[coastermike]

Still in for 9 boards

Thanks,
Michael

[Reddy_Kilowatt]

Still in for eight.

[muttley]

I'm still in.

I read the timeline, but is there going to be opportunity to change some things based on final pricing? I mean I'm good for 10 no matter what, but if pricing comes in lower, I may up it to 15 or more.

thanks again

[Filament]

I am still in for the 10 boards I requested Thanks.

[WakeFan]

I don't think I need my 8, may still be in if price is real low.

[kmiller]

Still in for 5. Thanks

[RocketRick]

Still in for 8. Thanks!

[Brad H]

Confirming two for me (Brad Hanscom).

[Brad H]

Regarding parts....

When I have ordered from Mouser in the past I know that I can create a "project" that I can later order / re-order as needed. Does anyone know if this "project" could be shared with others? It would save us all a lot of time if the first one to order parts created a sharable project!

Brad H.

[tonypgst]

Don't know about sharing the project myself, but I ordered parts at the beginning of Jan. Unfortunately, my BOM included parts saved as a project at Mouser and Jameco.

I'd share mine if possible, but the project would be incomplete.

[mgauch]

Still in for 8!

Thanks
mgauch

[kx5h]

I'm still in for 8

[kx5h]

ooopppssss sorry for the mistake - In in for 10.

[RavingLunatic]

I'm still in for 6

[ppohlman]

Regarding parts....
When I have ordered from Mouser in the past I know that I can create a "project" that I can later order / re-order as needed. Does anyone know if this "project" could be shared with others? It would save us all a lot of time if the first one to order parts created a sharable project!
Brad H.

Check this link out:
http://www.ritzfam.com/xmus/16CPicDimmedSSR_Parts_List_Rev1.9.xls

It's got the BOM with all optional parts and Mouser part numbers. I would have given you my project list, but like tonypgst I ordered from both Mouser and Jameco. Saved some cash that way.

[shocker]

still in for it

[heilyman]

I still need 4

[sadlpx]

Sadlpx still in for 4

[lemaster63]

Still in for four (4)

[Sloanhaus]

Im still in for 8

[ben]

still in!

Ben

[DennisB]

John,

I'll stay with 6, even though I now have a Ren64XC and won't possible use the 6, I still have them anyway.

Keep smiling.

[jimbo3301]

Hi Xmas

What is the status of the PCB order and payment arraignments? Thanks for taking this on.

Jim

[Deast]

Confirm on 4.

I just got back today from a business trip.

[WWNF911]

Hi Xmas

What is the status of the PCB order and payment arraignments? Thanks for taking this on.

Jim

Xmus has turned this over to wjohn.

[muttley]

Xmus has turned this over to wjohn.

are there any new updates or a new timeline?

just wondering, and I think that was Jimbo's question too.

Neil

[shocker]

Wjohn seam to be busy at the moment so give him a chance ;)

[WWNF911]

Wjohn seam to be busy at the moment so give him a chance ;)


are there any new updates or a new timeline?

just wondering, and I think that was Jimbo's question too.

Neil


Hi Xmas

What is the status of the PCB order and payment arraignments? Thanks for taking this on.

Jim

I know you guys are itching to get started. All in good time. I for one wouldn't mind a break. For some strange reason all my coops are hitting me at the same time. Ouch!

:lol:

Leon

[tonypgst]

Well, I have money burning a hole in my pocket over here. Have it saved for the boards, but there are so many temptations out there, it's hard to keep it saved away.

I'll be patient, but honestly, my Ren16 parts need a home and my new soldering iron is bored. :)

[shocker]

got news guys !!!



I will send out final prices to COOP members this week.

John.

[alwysrit2]

Just to make sure I have confirmed, I am confirming I am still in for 13
-Don

[richkes15]

WJOHN,
I'm just confirming that i'm still in for 10(ten) boards
thanks, Rich

[Michael]

Still in for 8*- Michael

[kx5h]

Re-Confirm -- I'm in for 10 boards

[dhavard]

just checking for an update. i was told over a week ago we would have invoices. i have all of my parts and just wanted to check status on the pcb's.

[WWNF911]

Patience,.. it's a big order and besides, I'm still seeing stragglers comin in and confirming orders. One as recent as today. :)

[dhavard]

i am being patient :) just wanted to check-in and see if there was a update on the time frame. i have my parts and i am anxious to get started soldering...lol

[ctmal]

Just wondering if anyone heard anything recently, I just agreed to the new posting rules yesterday, I'm not sure if I've missed any pm's, etc. I just don't want to leave anybody hanging without paying them.