Wanted - setup ?

[TERBObob]

Hi everyone . Totally new and REALLY wanting to get a light display going .
If anyone has a setup ( RTR ) that they would/could sell me for a reasonable price , please email me and let me know .
Not looking for something really elaborate or super complex ( remember , I'm a newbie here - LOL ) . so , anyone ?

[Walden]

http://www.ksochristmaslights.com/how_to/index.html

This isnt a full setup, it is quick and easy. THis is what im doing for my first year.

It will be hard to find some1 selling a full setup.

[TERBObob]

WOW ... thats GREAT ..
Thank you VERY much for the detailed info page .

[Walden]

No thank antartica

[ben]

There seems to be interest for a Full system of SSR's a controller and cables. I for one would be willing to put one together on a case by case basis and include all the bells and whistles you need. I'd have to do some calcualting but I wouldn't take to much for labor I just want to make all my money back in parts and shipping.

Ben

[TERBObob]

Ok ... great . Could you either post , or PM me with a price then ?
( appreciate this :D )

[ben]

PM sent

[ben]

here is a rough list I put together. This does not include shipping or the Grinch electronics. This is for 32 channels. I can make more I can make less. I have not included labor this is just to give you a rough. I think $275-285 would be the final for 32Channels.

Ben

[mwells]

Hey ben, I too am very new at this and kinda looking for a easy set up. What was the final price? And which software would you recomend for a newbie such as myself? Any help is appreciated :D .

[mwells]

Hey ben, I too am very new at this and kinda looking for a easy set up. What was the final price? And which software would you recomend for a newbie such as myself? Any help is appreciated :D .

[ben]

$275 is the final for 32channels. If you want less channels let me know.

I would deffinitally use Vixen. I do plan on manufacturing completed boards once I get the hang of the Ren-T and the Ren-C, then I can sell complete dimmable systems. Again, $275 sounds like alot but I am only making about $45 per system.

Ben

[mwells]

Maybe its because I'm new to this, but that seems like a very decent price. I'll have to wait until after the holidays, but I'll get back in contact with you in a few weeks. I appreciate the trouble and the help.

[PajdaProductions]

I am also considering setting up a system for selling mostly ready to go kits. Starting after this christmas, if there is interest, I will do it. Ben, maybe you and I can do something together?

[PajdaProductions]

I am also considering setting up a system for selling mostly ready to go kits. Starting after this christmas, if there is interest, I will do it. Ben, maybe you and I can do something together?

[blake_l]

Considering the amount of time you're going to have into this, $45 is peanuts!!!

[PajdaProductions]

yeah, im not encouraging anybody to charge more than they want to, but I agree with blake, the labor is worth far more.

[ben]

Let me tell you If I need to raise prices after the first system or two I might. I am doing this because I love soldering and I get an excuse to work with xmas lights and components 24/7. I have now gotten 2 offers about coordinating with people. I do plan to go at it on my own. I will setup a website and people can order using paypal on my site. The only way I would coordinate with somone is if they did a REN-16, 64 etc system. I do jnot plan on doing those,

Ben

[blake_l]

Maybe all the solder fumes are getting to you? ;-) Just kidding. If you enjoy it and are getting what you need / want out of it, then knock yourself out!

[sdriessens]

Would be interested in 24 channel kit after christmas for next year. Needs to be 240VAC for Australia. Who would be best to contact?

[P. Short]

I would like to request that you do not charge for assembling Renard boards as a regular thing. Renard - and all of the other designs and information on this board (especially vixen) are the result of many, many hours of other peoples time, and you yourselves have not been charged for that time. It seems to me that the fair thing is that you pay it forward...do things for other people without charging. The other reason for making this request is that this is a DIY board and and a DIY community, and I would like to strongly encourage the spirit of everybody doing things for themselves, rather than just buying pre-made.

It's not a big thing with me, but just be aware that there will be bad karma accumulated if things go to far off into a for-profit direction.

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Phil

[Mudsculpter]

You said it, Phil ........

I was kinda offended when I read about the plans that were being made to profit from the free PCB designs and the free software that is available. All I have done so far was to build them from the designs and profit from the knowledge given to me so far. I thank all of you for making my dream last year a reality this year. Those folks that designed everything to help share the cost of building these units all should be offended too.

[Wayne J]

I'm in total agreement. This is a DIY community. We come here to help others acheive a beautiful display, not charge for it. This is a great community and I too do not want to see bad karma come into it, as $$ will always do that.

[AI]

You said it, Phil ........

I was kinda offended when I read about the plans that were being made to profit from the free PCB designs and the free software that is available. All I have done so far was to build them from the designs and profit from the knowledge given to me so far. I thank all of you for making my dream last year a reality this year. Those folks that designed everything to help share the cost of building these units all should be offended too.
Offended as well, others sould not proft from the work of others like this.If you need help making a system we can help. If you want to buy one thare are plenty out there to chose from. Dont sell an open product.
I think this thred should be removed! AI

[P. Short]

Let's not hurt anyone's feelings with this thread (anymore than has already happened). The amount of money involved so far is pretty small, if I understand it correctly. I just think that it should not go any further.

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Phil

[JetMech]

And then there is the issue of liability. If someone sells a product and that product causes someone's house to burn down.... who pays?

[Zane]

If yyou make a company name and have the purchaser sign an agreement, it is there fault. plus, with these DIY systems, a few modifications, and there should be no major fires.

[RJ]

You said it, Phil ........

I was kinda offended when I read about the plans that were being made to profit from the free PCB designs and the free software that is available. All I have done so far was to build them from the designs and profit from the knowledge given to me so far. I thank all of you for making my dream last year a reality this year. Those folks that designed everything to help share the cost of building these units all should be offended too.

I had a rumor started that I was doing the Lynx and other projects for profit which offended me. I have never made anything from anyone on diy (just lost money) and I would also take offense to others profitting from mine or others work who do it all in the giving spirit. This is not what this group is about.

I believe anyone wanting that, should design there own equipment, go to ebay and make their profit while taking the liability that comes with it. I am not trying to offend anyone I just know that we have grown alot as a family here in the last 6 months and many of the new people might not quite understand the purpose and spirit of the community. I know for a fact that people like Brian and Sean have run Coop's where not only didn't they profit they lost money so that people including I could get cheap coop boards to get started.

Is there people out there not able to build there own systems that would pay a premium to have it built?
Sure! But they should be dealing with companies like LOR.

I believe the group as a whole here is moving in the right direction to make things better and easier so more can build their own without being as technical. But I also believe that people who can not solder a pcb together with detailed instructions are the kind of people you really need to have dealing with companies like LOR and AL.

This is IMHO and I am not the moral majority here or does my thoughts matter so take it with a grain of salt. No one needs be offended by my thoughts.

But I would also ask that any of my designs such as the Grinch, Lynx, Ledtriks, Robo spot, dmx converter, Etc not be assembled for the purpose of sale. If you build one and move to something else and sell it at resonable cost that is a different story all together.

[Macrosill]

This topic is now locked.

Any further business deals between individuals for assembled systems should be taken off the board and done privately. We have come here to learn and share not sell or make money. Should the sales postings start again your account will be deleted and banned.

The above does not include coop orders.