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jrock64
03-13-2010, 11:32 PM
A free standing, 32 spoke, four color, 8ft diamater FIREWORKS
Details and plans within.

Phase 1 complete.

http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6303&d=1268537256

128 segments of ropelight... cut, capped, and corded.

Many, many steps to go.
So little time left.

Joel

RichF
03-14-2010, 12:13 AM
What is it going to be?

hartlove
03-14-2010, 01:17 AM
making fireworks?

joshschaf
03-14-2010, 02:52 AM
Looks like it would make some great fireworks!

jrock64
03-14-2010, 11:01 AM
Just one.
and only 8 channels for now

But it is going to be BIG!*

Joel

bhays
03-14-2010, 07:13 PM
Phase 1 complete.

http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6303&d=1268537256

128 segments of ropelight... cut, capped, and corded.

Many, many steps to go.
So little time left.

Joel

Looks great. I am trying to decide whether I will go with C7's or rope light. Where did you buy all of your rope light and cords? Did you use actual ends and cords made for the purpose or improvise? I would love to see some details of how you did it.

jrock64
03-14-2010, 11:38 PM
Phase 2, the hub
Done!!

http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6305&d=1268620665



Looks great. I am trying to decide whether I will go with C7's or rope light. Where did you buy all of your rope light and cords? Did you use actual ends and cords made for the purpose or improvise? I would love to see some details of how you did it.

The ropelight was bought from BirdDog(Ebay) about 2 years ago.
I did not have any 3/8 inch blue, so it came from Menards.
the cords are leftovers stripped out of 100ct mini lights.
Here is my discussion on ropelight ends.
http://talk.planetchristmas.com/showthread.php?t=12633&highlight=rope+light

This years changes are that the cap is formed out of just hot melt glue.
Hot melt on the cord end squeezes out when the heat shrink is heated.
I hope it holds the wires better, and seals the heat shrink end.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6308&d=1268624164

Joel

bhays
03-14-2010, 11:54 PM
What are you going to use for rods? Fiberglass fence posts/rods?

jrock64
03-15-2010, 12:33 AM
128 ft of 1/4 cold rolled steel.
I tried 3/16 but it was just not stiff enough for me.

Fiberglass was not a cost/fabrication option for me.

The rope light probably weighs 35 pounds,
and the steel will weigh another 35 pounds.

I already have a plan how to raise that fully loaded hub 24ft straight up.
And be secured rock solid.
And no ladders or hoists will be involved.

Joel

bhays
03-15-2010, 08:09 AM
128 ft of 1/4 cold rolled steel.
I tried 3/16 but it was just not stiff enough for me.

Fiberglass was not a cost/fabrication option for me.

The rope light probably weighs 35 pounds,
and the steel will weigh another 35 pounds.

I already have a plan how to raise that fully loaded hub 24ft straight up.
And be secured rock solid.
And no ladders or hoists will be involved.

Joel

Have to either telescope straight up or pivot at the bottom, right? Tell me more.

jrock64
03-15-2010, 02:19 PM
Have to either telescope straight up or pivot at the bottom, right? Tell me more.

Set the pipe and guy it at 6ft.
Attach the 8 spokes and electrical at 6ft.
One pulley at the top and a 1200 lb winch to take it up to 24ft.
This will also be raising the guy wires to the top.
So one cable will be holding it up, and 4 will be trying to hold it down.

OK here is my master diagram

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6312&d=1268676111
The first is a top or bottom view and represents the 8 branches on the hub
The second is a side view and shows the 4 spokes per branch.

8 * 4 = 32 total spokes * 4 colors = 128 rope light segments.
and 32 C9 LEDs on the tips.


Joel

bhays
03-15-2010, 03:19 PM
So the picture of the hub only has two of the four spoke holes drilled per flange? How are you going to attach the spokes using the holes and keep them at the desired angle? Genius design.

jrock64
03-15-2010, 03:44 PM
I think the pipe is 2 inch. Whatever the 1.25in pvc connector fits inside of.
The pieces on the hub are 2 x 4 x 1/8
Four spokes get welded to a 1 x 5 x 3/16 inch piece of steel.
That gets bolted to the hub with two bolts.
The spread at the tips will be 7ft.
I can handle large items as long as they breakdown and can store flat.
ie... hang on a wall.

Joel

bhays
03-15-2010, 08:55 PM
The spread at the tips will be 7ft.
Joel

That's one spoke, right? So it will actually be a little over 14' total diameter, right? I think you really have come up with a great design.. I hope you don't mind if I 'borrow' it.

Wayne J
03-15-2010, 09:00 PM
This looks like it is going to be waaaaay cool. Can't wait to see it in action. Maybe some pics of setup when you do it.

jrock64
03-15-2010, 11:37 PM
7ft is top to bottom for one four spoke assembly.
The individual spokes are only 4ft long.

Overall dimensions should be 8.5ft wide and 7ft high(if all the sketching is accurate)
All the rope light segments are folded to half the size.

14ft would be much more impressive, but way to unwieldy for my weather conditions.

I have never had a problem sharing any my designs.
Ill steal anything I like.
Anyone willing to put in the amount of time and effort required to copy my designs , is more than welcome to try.
I will spend all summer creating designs that can be final assembled in hours, not days or weeks.

Since this is becoming an official design I guess I have to name it.

I Cristen thee, "The Booming Rose"
Kind of sounds like a fireworks

Joel Rose

There is a final 24 channel twist(literally) that no one is going to see coming.

bhays
03-31-2010, 10:44 PM
How's it coming? Any construction updates for us?

jrock64
03-31-2010, 11:57 PM
Not yet.
Too many other projects.

Finish taking down the last lights.
Finish the CNC
Clean and fill the pond
Finish the watergun sentry.
Till the garden.

Many other things to do once all the snow is gone.

Joel

Changed the base design again to make it simpler.

bhays
04-01-2010, 09:43 AM
I am in the same boat... I have to finish the z-tree sections that are sitting on the grass and get them out of there, plus one more Marty fan that's half done, etc...

I am going to do the same project, though, so I will post updates as soon as I have any.

jrock64
04-13-2010, 09:02 PM
2+ inches of rain in the last 48 hours, but today was clear so I took the afternoon off.

Created a jig. Line up all the parts.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6586&stc=1&d=1271206637

Burn some wood
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6587&stc=1&d=1271206637

Create a new mega tree maybe.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6589&stc=1&d=1271206637

OK Put it all together
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6590&stc=1&d=1271206637

Throw on the winch just to see how it works.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6591&stc=1&d=1271206637

Now I just have to attach all the lights and wire it.

JOel

budude
04-13-2010, 09:41 PM
Looking good there Joel! How many times have you poked your eye out?! :p Truly BLINKY-flashy in that case!

dirknerkle
04-13-2010, 10:09 PM
Very cool! How high is it going to be?

bhays
04-13-2010, 11:09 PM
Nice work!

jrock64
04-14-2010, 12:33 AM
How about some dimensions.
The plan is to take the central hub up to 24ft.

http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6595&stc=1&d=1271219403

Joel

smartalec
04-14-2010, 05:11 AM
so what sort of lights are to go on it? strings or seperate strands?
Led or normal?
an how many channels will it consume?
great work..

51fordf2
04-14-2010, 09:57 AM
so what sort of lights are to go on it? strings or seperate strands?
Led or normal?
an how many channels will it consume?
great work..

If you look at the top and bottom right sides, you'll see a box with numbers, such as 1, 2, and 3. Those point to pages in the thread. If you click on 1, you'll go to the first post in the thread, and you can read the entire thread. It will tell you what lights are being used, how many channels, etc. You'll also see pics of the lights, and progress along the way. This will work on any thread in the forums. Saves from answering the same questions over and over...

;) :) :D

Oh yeah, it's looking great! Following the thread closely, lot's of work, but sure looks worth it!!

R

smartalec
04-14-2010, 10:37 AM
sorry about that, i have been following the thread but with my memory the way it is, i forgot.
so whats the ruff price of your "blooming rose"?, as i seen similar commercial ones around the 2,000 mark.
i think there smaller, but unsure.
(adelaide indoor gocart has 2 on there roof), an after awhile the lights fail an it does'nt look as good?
will your design end up being better than the commercial ones?



If you look at the top and bottom right sides, you'll see a box with numbers, such as 1, 2, and 3. Those point to pages in the thread. If you click on 1, you'll go to the first post in the thread, and you can read the entire thread. It will tell you what lights are being used, how many channels, etc. You'll also see pics of the lights, and progress along the way. This will work on any thread in the forums. Saves from answering the same questions over and over...

;) :) :D

Oh yeah, it's looking great! Following the thread closely, lot's of work, but sure looks worth it!!

R

WWNF911
04-15-2010, 11:20 AM
If you look at the top and bottom right sides, you'll see a box with numbers, such as 1, 2, and 3. Those point to pages in the thread. If you click on 1, you'll go to the first post in the thread, and you can read the entire thread. It will tell you what lights are being used, how many channels, etc. You'll also see pics of the lights, and progress along the way. This will work on any thread in the forums. Saves from answering the same questions over and over...

Thats bad! Incredibly PC but bad. :lol:

WireWrap
04-15-2010, 04:41 PM
Thats bad! Incredibly PC but bad. :lol:

Not PC at all... PC in this day and age would mean that you have to go back and copy all the previous material and enter it into a new post, meanwhile repeating it all again in different words to ensure that no-one could POSSIBLY misunderstand a single word, else inviting a lawsuit for failure to cover potential hazards...


Who, me? Cynical??? Naaaaaaaaaahhhhhh !!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



:)

jrock64
05-15-2010, 04:18 PM
32 5in zip ties
576 4in zip ties
96 crimp connectors
8 feet of heat shrink tubing

And finally all the lights are attached.

http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6745&d=1273953532

Now I just need to test everything one more time to see if I broke any wires or crushed any bulbs.

Then I get to consolidate all those lovely wires on each branch from 28 down to 9.
Ground - Gold - Red - Green - Blue - Strobe 1 - 4

All the branches will be consolidated a final time during assembly, then fed to the controllers.

I do have a vision of what it will look like, and it is starting to come together.
Joel

txag2008
05-17-2010, 11:05 AM
Looking great, looking forward to seeing any further progress and the completed project once it's done.

Looks like a ton of work. As weird as it seems, that's the type of busy work that I enjoy doing though too.

kychristmas
05-18-2010, 11:09 AM
JRock,
Excellent work. I really Admire your Prototype to Design to Implmentation path. Way to just keep going. I'm very anxious to see the end result.

stanward
05-20-2010, 02:06 AM
First time I've come to this thread and all the work is just awesome! This is the best design so far (compared to the porcupine fish balls). I see this would be easy to hoist up to the top.

jrock64
06-17-2010, 11:16 PM
The lower quad pod and top guy wires pre set for length.
Four anchors are sunk a foot deep and will become permanent.
The pole is only 16ft to the top.
I tried raising one 24ft, and when I saw the top my wife did not even have to tell me it was too high.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6959&d=1276830464

All assembled.
Just need to raise it up now.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6961&d=1276830731

More later

Joel

stanward
06-17-2010, 11:19 PM
Absolutely Beautiful!

dirknerkle
06-17-2010, 11:31 PM
Looks great, Joel! Can't wait to see it lit with all your planned effects! :cool:

jrock64
06-18-2010, 12:50 AM
We have video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTvQZcEGE9A



Joel

budude
06-18-2010, 01:40 AM
Verrrryyyyy Coool!

dirknerkle
06-18-2010, 09:42 AM
I'll bet that's an exact match to your vision when you started that project, right? It's just fantastic! :cool: :cool: :cool:

stenersonj
06-18-2010, 09:52 AM
that is incredible.

rstehle
06-18-2010, 11:48 AM
That looks great!!

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs130.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Skunberg
06-18-2010, 02:20 PM
Wooow! The strobes are so much better than the c9s. A grand scale project like this is a tribute to the hobby. Doing so much more with less channels and less lights. Wonderful!

lbro
06-18-2010, 03:56 PM
Just great Joel! What a great job.

Jrd
06-18-2010, 10:46 PM
WOW, very impressive, now you just need more of them so you can have multiple fireworks going off at once.
Are the pictures of the 24ft version or the 16ft?

jrock64
06-20-2010, 02:18 AM
The pictures are of the 16ft
All plans of going to 24ft have been deemed suicidal and have been scrapped for now.

While the design is absolutely solid once it reaches the top.
Five feet from the top is quite hairy.
Only a one inch pipe and more importantly a coupler is keeping it from going over sideways.
I grabbed one of the cables and put my wife on winch duty and we did get it up ok.

And it looked beautiful for the first night.
Almost too beautiful. Is is so hypnotic, you almost do not see the rest of the display.
I spent the day tweaking the music and timing for a grand show.
For the finale I just had vixen randomize the four colors for about four seconds.
Big mistake. While I had made sure that not more than two channels were on at one time for aesthetic reasons, vixen sometimes had only one channel on and sometimes all four.

We went out to watch, and it was looking good.
I pulled out into our prime viewing spot and my wife asks where is all the color in the fireworks.

Reboot the computer, just because with no improvement.
The strobes are lighting but none of the rope light.

I question if the color ever was there at all. Damm CRS.

Dig out my notes an do some calculations.

5.5w/ft * 6ft/arm/color * 8 arms = 2364w or 2.2 amps
and I am running a 3amp fuse for all 4 colors combined.

So tomorrow I get to lower it, change the fuse to an 8amp, and raise it back up.
Did I mention that there are two 4 channel controllers attached to the hub 16ft in the air.

There have been questions on the dimensions, so here goes one more time.
My rods were actually 50 inches long.
The Yellow, Red, and Green were 18in folded to 9in.
I did not have blue and what I purchased had a 24in cut, so folded to 12in.
Figure a 1/2in gap between colors due to uneven folds and connectors.
so Allow...
4in for the C9 socket that will hold the strobe.
12in for Blue
9in for Yellow, Red, and Green
4in gap at the center to gather all the wires.
1in for the weld.
2in gap between colors.
== 50 inches give or take.

You can see it better in this picture.

Joel

jrock64
06-22-2010, 01:00 AM
Full 2010 show.
Best capture I have ever gotten.
The colors are good, and everything is in focus.

http://www.vimeo.com/12757382

Wait for the fireworks to start at the two minute mark.

Joel

dirknerkle
06-22-2010, 09:47 AM
Great job, Joel! Very, very well done. Be proud -- that's good stuff!!!

The exploding fireworks display is just terrific -- are you going into production on them??!?!? Certainly an illustrated how-to would be appreciated by a lot of folks!

jderba
06-22-2010, 04:08 PM
That was Fantastic!!! Great job

Jack

Therberg
06-23-2010, 01:13 AM
Wow!! I watched the video for your display from the link you posted over on PC. Then read through this thread, to learn the details of the build , of the fireworks display, some great ideas. It really looks awesome !!!

stanward
07-01-2010, 03:09 AM
How much feet of rope light did you use?

jrock64
07-01-2010, 08:39 AM
48 ft yellow
48 ft red
48 ft green
64 ft blue

32 segments of each color.
the yellow, red, green had a 18 in cut.
the blue had a 24 in cut.

Joel

bhays
07-06-2010, 12:06 AM
Thanks, Joel, for the inspiration and guidance. I decided to take this project on myself.

I decided to add some fireworks lights for the 2010 season and after examining all of the options, determined that the commercial units were out of my budget. So, I am making them my own.

I am making two of these, one with 8' spokes for a 16' diameter and one with 6' spokes for a 12' diameter. They will be lighted with rope light, four channels each and either strobes or C9 led's on the tips.

I am using 1/8" and 3/16" steel plate for the hub flanges and spoke units and 3/8" cold rolled steel rods for the actual spokes.

First I made a jig for drilling the holes in the hub flanges and spoke bars so they would be consistent. I wanted any spoke unit to fit any hub flange.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6999&stc=1&d=1278388974
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7000&stc=1&d=1278388985

Then I welded the flanges to the hubs. I am using two size commercial chain link post for the hub and the mounting poles.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7002&stc=1&d=1278389003

With the hubs made, it was to move on to welding up the spoke units. I made a jig for this as well, since I had to weld up 16 of them.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7001&stc=1&d=1278388996

bhays
07-06-2010, 12:10 AM
Here are the spoke units assembled to the hubs.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7007&stc=1&d=1278389260
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7006&stc=1&d=1278389238

I went ahead and set them up temporarily in the yard. They will be on poles with a winch to raise them for the show. I plan to raise the 16 footer to 24 feet high and the 12 footer to 16 feet high.

Here are both of them assembled:
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7005&stc=1&d=1278389228

Here's the 12 foot unit:
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums
/attachment.php?attachmentid=7003&stc=1&d=1278389215

And here's the 16 foot unit:
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7004&stc=1&d=1278389221

Now I just have to prepare and wire 256 sections of rope light and install them on these.

jrock64
07-09-2010, 12:48 AM
A few pictures before teardown.

http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7012&d=1278650632

http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7013&d=1278650642

http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7014&d=1278650661

Joel

dirknerkle
07-09-2010, 09:56 AM
Fabulous, joel!!!

Skunberg
07-10-2010, 09:20 AM
Great job! Pic's are good. Project is possible for most DIYers. Easy to store. Looks sturdy. How long was this well thought out project stewing in your head before you started building Joel?

jrock64
07-10-2010, 12:32 PM
Well the video in post 38 is what put me over the top. http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6328&page=4
I think I started cutting rope light Jan 1 So the design was pretty sketched out even before then.
According to post 58 in that same thread, that was probably the last major design change.
After that is was just a matter of building it all.
Took me the full 6 months, but it was worth it.

More daytime pics during tear down.

Fully assembled daytime view, same angle as the night time shots.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7019&stc=1&d=1278777382


Close up of the crown still in the air.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7020&stc=1&d=1278777382

Extreme close up. You cam see the rats nest of wiring.
The top box is used just to consolidate all the wires for the strobes.
The bottom box holds a 4 channel controller for the strobes.
There are 2 more boxes on the other side for all the ropelight.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7021&stc=1&d=1278777382




In this picture on of the spokes has already been removed.
Four of the spokes have additional flat steel bolted to the back of the hub mounting plate.
This provides the anchor point for the four cables that hold it at the top.
Again because they are bolted on, everything breaks down and the cables can be coiled separately from everything else.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7022&stc=1&d=1278777382

jrock64
07-10-2010, 01:06 PM
More pictures.

The separate top cable mounts.
Two have additional rod welded to them to provide a place to hook the launcher to.
I add chain to all my cables to make adjusting them easier.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7025&stc=1&d=1278780701

And the launcher.
The one on the right hooks to the top, and the one on the left hooks to the bottom of it.
Just an 18in strip of rewire bent into a tunnel shape to cover the pipe and cords coming down.
Four ft long for each section, four channels each.
http://www.doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7024&stc=1&d=1278781357

Already kicking around ideas on how to improve it for next year.
Watching the Australia forum for ideas.
One RGB channel for each 48in strand would be cool.
48 RGB channels for each 48in strand would be psychedelic.

And cost a small fortune, or maybe not.

Joel

wm_r_martin@hotmail.com
07-10-2010, 01:37 PM
OUTSTANDING, What a well thought out project. Looks very good on video and I bet better in person. You should win FIRST PLACE for Do It Yourselfers in 2010.

Job Well Done!

If you were to do it again, would you change anything?

jameyboozer
07-31-2010, 04:15 PM
I first want to say thanks to the two who have truly provided excellent details for the diy-er. Ok...let me first say that if I can do this, it is possible to do - but I have obsessed about firework lights for two years now and have not been willing to drop the cash to purchase one direct from China.

So, here is my progress so far - I even provided a close-ish photo of my welding skills...which I learned from Youtube! I can honestly say that before the paint (I used two coats, first coat - Rustoleum Cold something or other and then Black spray paint), I refused to take photos. But, I have thrown these against the concrete, jumped on them and they held. So, ugly but welded is good enough for me.

Also, the more tedious part is the ropelight! OMG! I decided to only do 5 branches of 4 (3ft) spokes. Since I do not have a huge space, I am happy with the size. I am using 12V rope light but I could not find the green in 12V, so the sections are 8" for the Y R and B, and 12" for the G.

Thanks for all of the posts - truly inspiring. I still look back through your postings for guidance and I am always jealous at your welding - but, this project is doable, just budget (both time and dollars) and a firework will be a reality!

jrock64
07-31-2010, 10:20 PM
WOW!!!

I am honored.
That makes Blooming Rose #3

Some of those parts look awfully familiar.
Had to check if all my parts are still accounted for.

My welding is far from expert.
My welder would be classed as a toy by most $150 harbor freight flux core, the cheapest I could find.

Let me now share to the extent of my welding wisdom.
If both sides of the joint are cherry red when you break the ark, you have a good joint.
If only one side is red, you have a cold joint and you need to try again.

That's how bad my welding is.

However.
My worst weld is 10 times stronger than anything I could wrap with wire or glue with epoxy.

I too saw the fireworks threads and followed the conversations, but the always seemed to fizzle out.

I looked at all the spokes and thought, how can a come up with a way to make assembly and storage easier.

I started sketching out designs to come up with overall dimensions, and the rest as they say is history.

Joel

Pwmcguire
07-31-2010, 10:28 PM
And I thought I wanted to do this :shock: :shock: :shock:

Great job. I think I'll focus on something else.

bhays
07-31-2010, 10:30 PM
Also, the more tedious part is the ropelight! OMG!

I hear ya, that's the stage I'm at now.

I have been working on the cord ends of the ropelight. I am using the nail method. I know there has been a lot of criticism of that method, but I needed custom lengths for the cords, plus expense, so it was really the way I had to go.

Since I am doing two fireworks, each with 32 spokes (one with four sections per spoke and one with five) I have to do 288 of these, I am plugging away. It's time consuming, but not all that bad. I worked from 9am to 7pm today and finished 144 sections. I have 200 done. (I am also doing one twelve spoke flat one with clear ropelight, so I actually will have another 48 sections do for that when these are done.)

I made a little holder so I can do 8 sections simultaneously, seems to really be speeding things up. First thing is to insert the nails (#17 brads with the heads clipped off on an angle) and slip the 3/4" heat shrink over the end.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7159&stc=1&d=1280629640

Next, I push the SPT1 down over the nails, after I've slipped the 3/8" heat shrink over the end of the cord.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7160&stc=1&d=1280629653


Then, I shrink the 3/8" heat shrink, then slide the 3/4" up and shrink the bottom half. This forms a cut on the end into which I squeeze three shots of hot glue.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7161&stc=1&d=1280629669

When the hot glue hits the shrink wrap, it shrinks and squeezes the excess glue out.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7162&stc=1&d=1280629683

I feel like I am getting really solid, weatherproof connections this way.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7158&stc=1&d=1280629627

bhays
07-31-2010, 10:31 PM
Now the unfinished sections are laying there in the garage as though to taunt me. I hope to knock the rest out in a couple of evening sessions this week.

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7163&stc=1&d=1280629886

stanward
08-01-2010, 02:30 AM
bhays:

That is the best and most awesome garage ever!

budude
08-01-2010, 03:33 AM
No kidding - looks like one of those Craftman's commercials...

jrock64
08-08-2010, 09:24 PM
After a long chat with another individual, and some brain storming I think we have a design for the Blooming Rose that involves no welding for the purchaser.
Only tighten some nuts to lock the spokes to the mounting plates.

He will drill all the holes and weld the hub assembly.
The plates for the branches will be predrilled and machined so the individual spokes will attach by simply tightening some nuts.

So, the following would be included in the package.

1 hub with 8 predrilled flanges.
8 mounting plates, pre drilled and machined to accept 1/4 or 3/8 in rod and hardware to lock the rods in place.
4 anchor plates for attaching anchor cable to the hub, also predrilled.
We may also come up with the top pulley system.

You would need to provide 1/4 or 3/8 in rod you decide the length.
For 4ft spokes * 32 you would need 128ft or 7 20ft sticks less than $30.
See your steel supplier for best prices ($3 for 20ft of 1/4 cold rolled)

You also need 1in pipe, I cut one down to 6ft(thats the height you assemble at) and coupled 10ft to that for 16ft total.
If you want go higher you would need to find a plumber that could sell you a 20ft piece of 1in

I used rope light on mine, but I think you also could use clips and minis or LEDs with each spoke a different color.

Other than that you need a winch, anchor cable, and anchor points to secure it to. And a lighting controller of course.

He is going to put together a prototype and track material costs and time involved to come up with a fair price.

I told him to shoot for less than $100 and 75$ would be even better.
If it is over $100, I will probably drop it.
All the parts would fit in one of those famous priority mail boxes, so shipping will be reasonable.

So knowing what will be included, is there any interest in this and what do you think a fair price would be.

If there is any interest let me know, and we will put you on the list for the first prototypes.

Joel

kwajtony
08-16-2010, 03:31 AM
Most Excellent -- My hat is off to you on your design/implementation.

jameyboozer
08-22-2010, 12:04 PM
So, between my last post and this post, I finally completed the electronic firework. I will still need to tidy up the wires before setting it up in the display - for now, the screws holding the firework together are not tight and it is not December wind proof. But, wanted to share my progress...since channels 1-8 are DC, I have only been able to test the greens and the strobes. Channels 1-5 Yellow run up the pole, and 6 (Yellow) 7 (Red) and 8 (Blue) requires DC power. I should be able to get a video this evening before I disassemble and store it.

Again, thanks to the brave fellows who posted the how-to. I only hope that those welds stay together...but from experience, they would have broken by now....but, just as soon as I post this, it will come tumbling down.

Picture one - 5 Gallon HD bucket filled with 1 bag of concrete (the boards will be used to secure the bottom weight while the top will be secure with g-wires).
Picture two and three - partial assembly - 2 of five bang sticks
Picture four and five - complete assembly without wire management.

stanward
11-04-2010, 01:52 AM
jrock, I am wondering what size "chase nipple" you used for the center hub? Is that a galvanized chase nipple?

Also, how did you affix the PVC into the hub?

jrock64
11-04-2010, 09:55 AM
Go way back to post #7.
The steel pipe is 2 in, I measured it.
Two 1 1/4 couplers and pipe fill the gap.
The 1 1/4 pvc will slide smoothly up and down the 1 in steel pipe.
There are 4 holes in the pipe. Two on top two on the bottom.
A #8-32 screw is cut to go thru the steel and into the the pvc, coupler and pipe, but not past.

JOel

stanward
11-27-2010, 07:57 PM
Hi Joel,

What did you use for your center pipe? Is that rigid metal conduit or is that electrical metal tubing?

Stan

jrock64
11-27-2010, 11:18 PM
Threaded pipe. Not EMT.
1in Electrical conduit or water pipe. Whichever is cheaper at the time.

Thinking back I would probably go to 1 1/4 for the added strength. Not that much more expensive.

Joel

jameyboozer
12-05-2010, 12:33 PM
I have proof that following jrock's instructions can be done...even by those of us not gifted with welding skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F50FjdnE1mg

I hope you enjoy - and thank you jrock for all of your great posts and detailed instructions!!! As you can see, and I hope he takes it as a compliment, I didn't deviate much.

jrock64
12-30-2010, 10:45 PM
Kicking around ideas for a smaller design.
Something smaller and lighter.
Maye only 6 branches with 3 spokes each.
Only 3 or 4 feet across.

Will keep you posted.

Joel

tlorek
01-01-2011, 08:42 PM
Joel and others who have built these:

How do you do bring the connections together from each "wing" together into one to connect to the SSR? I don't see any pictures on this. Maybe molex connectors?

Thanks,

jrock64
01-01-2011, 10:53 PM
Not telling.
Anything has to be better than what I am presently doing.

It will get changed.

JOel

tlorek
01-02-2011, 09:45 PM
How about the following:Molex 10 pin 43025-1000 (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/43025-1000/?qs=N%252bmdi5el9QKaeJQ4jFizQA%3d%3d) and Molex 10 pin 43020-1001 (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/43020-1001/?qs=zXrbR4Jv0Od1rO86Vs9amw%3d%3d)?

Only need 8 of each, plus pins.

Thoughts?

ace_master
01-03-2011, 11:16 PM
New to the forums, but not new to the hobby...
I'm going to jump on this for next season... I have a feeling I'll end up reading through this forum like 15 times over the summer, lol.

I'm going to experiment a little more with colors... putting multiple colors on each channel (different colors on different spokes) for a more sparatic firework... I hope it looks good...

jrock64
01-04-2011, 12:14 AM
How about 600 RGB PLCCs from 10m of RGB strip.
Going down to an 8in segment 3 per spoke.

I have a plan to do it all in only 15 channels

http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/701799/209843764-308760590/5m-one-roll-5050-SMD-60LEDs-m-led-strip-non-waterproof-RGB-color-.html

Joel

WireWrap
01-05-2011, 07:31 PM
Not telling.
Anything has to be better than what I am presently doing.

It will get changed.

JOel


Why do I suspect there is a current shortage of wirenuts in Northern Iowa???? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


( j/k, Joel! ;) It is FANTASTIC!!!)


:)

michaelc
01-16-2011, 10:45 PM
Joel,

Great design. I have a question about one of your other effects. Do you have the build details on your flag?

Bree
01-17-2011, 03:10 PM
Hi Jrock

Can u tell me what voltage everything on this project was running at?

Thanks
Bree

I like those candy canes as well
:D

jrock64
01-17-2011, 08:16 PM
Hi Bree.

Every thing is standard 120v rope light.
The strobes are also 120v and fit in a standard C9 socket.

The candycanes your are seeing in post #27 are jameyboozer's

griffixdc
01-17-2011, 09:01 PM
How did i miss this...what a wonderful idea and man the work involved to make one of these ....FABULOUS...do you have a link to a video of your show or no video?

jrock64
01-17-2011, 09:37 PM
July 4 show. Best video.

http://www.vimeo.com/12757382

Joel

griffixdc
01-17-2011, 09:58 PM
July 4 show. Best video.

http://www.vimeo.com/12757382

Joel


Pretty awesome...never knew anyone to make a 4th of july light show before...at least i have never seen one (lights up for that matter).. continue your great creativity

bert-nc
01-19-2011, 10:31 AM
July 4 show. Best video.

http://www.vimeo.com/12757382

Joel

Joel:

what is the name of the song in the video, also who is singing the song

bert-nc

kychristmas
01-19-2011, 01:45 PM
Are you talking about the "Proud to Be an American" if so, it's Lee Greenwood.

Sorry I was thinking of something else. I believe this one is called "Where Stars and Stripes and Eagles Fly by Aaron Tippin

tstraub
01-19-2011, 02:00 PM
The song in the video is "Where the stars and stripes and the eagle fly" by Aaron Tippin
http://www.amazon.com/Stars-And-Stripes/dp/B0018AM2ZC/ref=sr_shvl_album_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1295459432&sr=301-5

I Think Joel edited it for his show. I don't remember fireworks in the original but there should have been it looks great!

Tyler

jrock64
01-19-2011, 02:59 PM
They nailed it, the song is "Where the stars and stripes and the eagle fly" by Aaron Tippin, with a little extra.

I found a fireworks manufacture website that had 30 second clips of at least 200 different products posted on youtube.
Not sure how many I looked at, or how often I had to go back to find one I previously liked.
What you are hearing is the audio from at least 4 different clips(samples of fireworks) blended and massaged into the original audio with audacity.

The fireworks were great, but it was missing just that little something to push it over the top.

The fireworks paired with the audio was just a jaw dropper to all who seen it in person.

Joel

jrock64
05-29-2011, 12:40 AM
Why is it when you get a new hammer, or a CNC mill finally working, all the world looks like a nail.

I made the interface boards for the MiniRose, and they worked so well I just had to redo the connectors on the original Blooming Rose.

8 .156 connectors should make quick work of what used to take a half day to corral all the wires into the clamps.

10410
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10410&d=1306643322
10409
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10409&d=1306643319
10411
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10411&d=1306643323


The last picture shows the old clamps on the left, and the new board with plugs on the right.
Setting this thing up in 35 degrees and drizzle was absolutely miserable.
The new design should let me plug in all the branches in less than 10 minutes.

JOel 10,221

Skunberg
05-29-2011, 11:43 PM
Wow! I like it. Less setup/take down is always better.

dirknerkle
05-30-2011, 01:17 AM
Wow! I like it. Less setup/take down is always better.

It's cheating. Putting the lights up and taking them down is supposed to be a PITA. Then you know you're doing it right. :lol:

jrock64
05-30-2011, 10:42 PM
This looks soooo much better.

10418
http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10418&d=1306807687
Only a minute to set all the plugs.

Joel 10,390

tlorek
05-31-2011, 08:40 PM
Joel,

Interested in making these boards for sale? ;)

Jrd
06-02-2011, 05:33 PM
Looks great!

bhays
06-02-2011, 05:57 PM
Joel,

Interested in making these boards for sale? ;)

Ditto!!

jrock64
06-03-2011, 12:20 AM
Joel,

Interested in making these boards for sale? ;)

I guess I am now.
Who knew they would be so popular.
Any other takers PM me.

Joel

Keebler
07-07-2011, 09:13 AM
I looked at all the spokes and thought, how can a come up with a way to make assembly and storage easier.

Joel
i certainly am not trying to dampen your awesome project, in fact i will be trying it too :)
perhaps welding sleeves slightly larger than the steel rods (rebar) in which the rebar rods can fit in would cut down the storage space required.
this would work great for the top half, but the bottom half, perhaps drilling a hole through the jacket and the rod and running a 16 penny nail through it to secure it.
just a thought

jrock64
07-07-2011, 02:45 PM
Flat stores easily enough for me.

When i was brainstorming on how to actually produce these I can up with an alternate design.
The bottom plate could be grooved with an angle grinder, the rods would lay in the groves, and a top plate would secure them with two bolts.
The entire assembly would need to be a bit longer and laid out like the last photo in post #56 of this thread by bhays.
The rods would be closer to the ends, and the mounting holes would be in the center.
The bottom plate would need to be long enough so the sandwich bolts cleared the hub, or the sandwich bolts would need to be countersunk into the bottom plate.

To ship them out this design could have worked.
I just do not see anyone breaking them all the way down each year.
I am thinking, that once they were assembled, they were going to stay together.

Besides...

The BloomingRose is dead...

Long live the MiniRose!!!!

http://doityourselfchristmas.com/forums/showthread.php?15577-FireWorks-2011-the-MiniRose

Joel 11499

tlorek
10-13-2011, 10:33 PM
OK. Two weekends ago, I finally got around to welding my firework sections together. Everything looked great, but I had some apprehensions in the back of my mind. I ignored those apprehensions, and attached my ropelight sections to the first piece. When I lifted it off my makeshift workbench, the top two arms/fingers sagged in a less-than-flattering way. The center flat stock is made of 1/8" steel, and the arms/fingers are 5' long sections of hot rolled steel.

I immediately remembered my apprehensions when we welded them in the first place. After a trip to the welding supply house and 30 minutes of welding, I now had 8 of what is in the first picture. The support will be invisible when it is all together, and I hope to mock everything up this weekend and have more pics or video. The second pic is with the lights. The amount of additional stiffness is amazing. Something to think about for those who are wanting to do this.

1173611735

jrock64
10-13-2011, 10:52 PM
Finally got around to using those boards.:p

5ft is a little long. Are they 1/4 or 3/8 rod.
Also looks like you may have 1/2in ropelight.

That is going to be HEAVY.

JOel

tlorek
10-13-2011, 11:16 PM
1/4" rod, 1/2" ropelight, each color is "triple wound" (3' of each color on each arm).

Here's the center bracket. Should be plenty strong. I'll have to weigh a section and see what they come out to.

ags0000
10-14-2011, 12:09 PM
Curious, what enclosures are you using (as in posts #92 and #95)? Where did you get them?

Thanks.

jrock64
10-14-2011, 02:01 PM
Those are TA-200 communication enclosures(telephone demarcation boxes) from Your Broadband Store.

They have stopped selling but Chris has them on his site.
http://wlcventures.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1

JOel

tlorek
10-14-2011, 08:27 PM
That is going to be HEAVY.

JOel

Each piece is 11 lbs. 88 lbs for all 8, add 10 or so for the center section, enclosures, etc, and we're looking right at 100 lbs getting cranked up. I haven't decided how high it will be. I'll do that probably next weekend.

dirknerkle
10-15-2011, 09:35 AM
...we're looking right at 100 lbs getting cranked up. I haven't decided how high it will be.

Hmmm... 100# held atop a thin post... blowing in the wind.... about 6 feet might be safe... :lol:

It'll be interesting to see what you come up with to hold that thing!

tlorek
10-15-2011, 02:50 PM
Hmmm... 100# held atop a thin post... blowing in the wind.... about 6 feet might be safe... :lol:

It'll be interesting to see what you come up with to hold that thing!

Not too worried. I'll be using 1" black iron pipe for the pole with 4x 3/16 guy wires. It's the same I have with my mega tree, which holds 96 strands, is ~24' high, and probably weighs the same if not more.

Onewish1
02-28-2013, 08:02 PM
thanks for the thread.. ooohhh honey.. we need more lights ::::snicker::::

Kabron
03-08-2013, 09:34 AM
Nice working man , But still i can't understand much bout what you want. I hope the your project will complete soon and you got benefit from your work as you want.